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Offline OIO

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« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2004, 09:56:39 PM »
always vote for whatever side can get a hummer while in office.


if they can do that, they can do anything! ;)

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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2004, 10:13:01 PM »
I think Yeager summed it up well.
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2004, 10:27:46 PM »
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They don't want us to focus on the issues -- they want to turn the election into a beauty pageant.


I always thought professional wrestling was the better analogy, except it seems like fewer peope seem to know it's fake :)

I think there are some differences in focus, but at the heart of things money and other special interests rule, with power and reelection being the ultimate driver for 99% of politicians and both parties. FWIW I think inner city minorities are as poorly served by the Democrats as the suburban middle class is by the Republicans -- in the long term.

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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2004, 11:27:46 PM »
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Originally posted by strk
easy - the main thing they both want is POWER

Republicans - consist of conservative moderates, christian fundies/social conservatives/anti-choice, defense industry and large corporations, fiscal conservatives, neo-cons and  some libertarians

they stand for keeping wages and worker benefits low to benefit the corporations

tax cuts that favor the rich over the poor and regressive tax policies in general

Defense spending and corporate welfare in particular

cutting social spending-

deregulation of industry

Right now neo-con PNAC guys are in favor at the White House - Rummy, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Kristoff - this group was founded in the 80's by those folks and Dan Quayle and Jeb Bush - their goal is to secure energy reserves so that the oil dependent US military will always be ready to operate.  They have advocated preemptive strikes to gain their ends.

To sell this package to the regular folks they villify liberals and anyone else who thinks differently.  They hype wedge issues like guns and abortion to polarize the electorate and pick up single issue voters.  Talk radio and the christian right have ginned up support as well.  The right wing is very disciplined and everything is planned to the detail.  

Republicans are at their best when they are running as anti-establishment candidates, because when they get in power their agenda leads to crappy situations for the working class.



Democrats, or the party of the big tent, consist of about everyone else and are completely disorganized, focused on a thousand different things.  They do not identify themselves as democrats as easily as republicans do.

Democratic principles include:

government of the people must level the playing field between the working class and the corporations.  this in the form of wage laws, OSHA, EPA and other regulations such as SEC.  

as of the last two decades, Democrats have become the party of fiscal responsibility.  Republicans have not been balancing budgets where democrats have.

Freedom - the government needs to stay out of the bedroom, personal liberties is the heart of liberal thought.  




Im sure Im missing a lot from each side but there are a few for each and I tried to be fair about it, although I know I will get flamed from all quarters.

Curly you should not take the word of others.  Go and do some research and find out for yourself what the parties are all about.


Befor I got to the end o strk's post I'd about had it.  but I have to say he's close with no cigar.

I myself am more of a libertarian identified repulican if that makes any sense.  Here's what I am for:

The rich.  Most of them have earned it and shouldnt pay more that 30 percent taxes TOTAL.

Corporations:  They creat jobs....yes they also pay taxes.   without either our society would cease to funciton

The so cald "living wage":  Deals with the above....if you raise the minimum wage employers liek frys, hyvee, albersons, wallmart, will have to raise prices on products because they have to pay teenagers$12 an hour to stock shelves....let business decide what to pay employees...that's what a free market is all about.

Gun control:  Dont punsih law abiding citizens with new and usless gunlaws when you dont even enforce the stupid gunlaws you have that dont prevent crime from criminals that buy guns.

abortion:  (i'm very clear cut in this)  A woman has the right not to be an "incubator" by keeping her LEGS CLOSED  if she was raped thats different.....if not have the kid let somone adopt it if you dont want to be a responsible mother.

It doesnt take a government to raise a kid it takes a good parent with sound virtues and good smarts.  leave kid rearing to the parents.


RELIGION:  IMHO religion is an idea created by man to be closer to od....were as Christ was Man created by God to be closer to Man.  There is no such thing in the constitution that says "seperation between church and state"  If a town hall wants to have a christmas tree and a manora let them....
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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2004, 11:32:29 PM »
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Originally posted by Tarmac
Democrats: High tax big-government socialists
Republicans: Deficit spending big-government socialists.  

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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2004, 11:34:23 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2004, 12:50:45 AM »
Yeah but do you realy like your FORD:D

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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2004, 12:54:29 AM »
Ok, I added several that seemed to be overlooked --- environmental issues and fetal cell technology.

The only one I really take issue with is the use of socialists.  We're not even close to socialism - but I sympathize with the spirit of the remark.

Now, when you're deciding who is going to be your next president, use the statements listed below instead of some stupid prejudices you learned at your father's knee.

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Democrats: For (most) fetal cell technology
Republicans: Against (most) fetal cell technology

Democrats: Pro choice
Republicans: Pro life

Democrats: High tax big-government socialists
Republicans: Deficit spending big-government socialists.

Democrats: Protection of organized labor
Republicans: Recent rulings against organized labor

Democrats: For gun control
Republicans: Against gun control

Democrats: Promote social spending (welfare, food vouchers & etc.)
Republicans: Against social spending

Democrats: For (most) environmental protection issues.
Republicans: Against (most) environmental protection issues.

Democrats: For (most) personal freedoms in your home.
Republicans: Against (some) personal freedoms in your home.

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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2004, 01:01:06 AM »
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Yeah but do you realy like your FORD:D


Heh, I bought a ford several years after they employed one  W.E. Deming of quality control fame.  The Japanese built their automotive/electronics industry on the back of Demmings TQC/TQM ideas.

The ford automobile immediately improved and I bought one.

curly

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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2004, 01:01:06 AM »
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Originally posted by Yeager
The general feeling I get is that the republicans are against gun control, abortion, liberal welfare state, overtaxation, intrusive government to name a few.  

The democratic party seems to support gun control, abortion, a liberal welfare state, overtaxation, intrusive government....

Things have changed these last two years and the lines seperating the parties have become muddled thanks to 9/11, the patriot act, George Bush.

I am for freedom to lawfully own firearms unregulated and regulated full auto firearms, I am almost totally anti abortion but conceed ultimate right to the mother.  I detest the concept of a welfare state but agree about temporary safety nets for women with children.  I believe in never contributing more than 30% of gross income for all taxes combined.  I am against intrusive government in time of peace but concede that intrusion is a vital but distasteful fact of war being waged by islam against freedom.

Just to name a few and hey, I reserve the right to change my mind on any subject at any time (Call me a Kerry-go-round, if you must)  :aok


Well you don't seem nearly as fanatical as I thought you were from your other posts :lol

Given my extensive weapons collection, I also favor the right to bear arms, especially since the criminals can outgun the most honest citizen given the current weapons legislation. Given that, I'm more moderate, dare I say, "liberal" than most on this board on other issues. Even so, I'd vote for a McCain / Powell ticket regardless of  their, or my, party affiliation.

(dons flame retardant suit) But, I'd also consider hearing what Hillary has to say in 2008...(ducking for cover) Might be fun to see her in the white house, just to "piss everyone off."


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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2004, 01:12:27 AM »
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We're not even close to socialism.


They confiscate something like 40% of my income before I even see it.  40% socialism is not so far from 100% socialism.

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« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2004, 04:13:15 AM »
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They confiscate something like 40% of my income before I even see it.  40% socialism is not so far from 100% socialism.


Well move, Northern Aztlan is too hot anyway. :)  We don't have government ownership of production, Funky.  We are over-taxed and have a moron for a president who is accelerating federal spending.

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« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2004, 04:28:08 AM »
Democrats - Against anything Republicans stand for.  Republicans - Against anything Democrats stand for.  

They're all pretty much for healthy babies & rainbows, and against terrorism & people who kick dogs.
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« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2004, 08:31:33 AM »
when I was really young I was against the democrats because they were mean to those colored people in the south... when I got a little older I was for the democrats because they gave everyone a bunch of free stuff and only taxed people who made a lot more money than me..

When i got older yet and made a little more than minimum wage I realized that I would now have to pay for all the free stuff they were giving away to the ungrateful little turds that were abusing it.

I believe that both parties are for bigger government but that the democrats are for more socialism than the republicans and they fear the citizen... they love humanity but hate people... people need to be aborted and watched like a hawk because... people are ruining the planet and are being mean to each other and if you let em have guns they may even revolt against socialism even if it is for their own good.  

Democrats are every real mans worst nightmare... Democrats is a living with your mom and having a woman for a boss at work.  It is having hidden social taxes on everything you buy do or even think about.   It is going to work while the 3 section 8 zombie families on the block sleep in only to awake by noon and sit on the front lawn or work on trash cars all day with rap music or mexican music playing full bore.   It is the surley look you get because you aren't doing enough to make their life easier.

It actually took me longer to appreciate Fords than it did to figure out that democrats were no ones friend.

but... I will comprimise on abortion... I will let you slaughter all the babies you want so long as I don't have to deal with any of your crappy gun control.

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« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2004, 09:46:34 AM »
It's very simple:


Republican: Smaller, less intrusive federal government and more local power. (Except when federal government is needed to set localities straight on what should happen inside the womb, who can mary whom, and what should be on the walls in our classrooms).


Democrat: Control over corporate abuses on workers and the environment. (Except when the labor unions, civil rights orgs, and enviros become oppressive and corrupt money machines in their own right.)