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Offline AKcurly

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« on: April 26, 2004, 06:51:31 PM »
When I was a kiddo, I learned to hate Fords.  I couldn't force myself to buy a Ford until I was in my 40s.

My home state voted democrat prior to wide spread TV ads debilitating our ability to clearly think.

I was one of 2 registered republicans in a small town.  I registered republican (probably) out of youthful indignation.  In college, I was an active "Young Republican."

Hating Fords and democrats (for my part) was a learned response from my elders.  It was much a reflex as "I need to breathe" or "I should eat." There was no thinking involved.

In the middle part of the century, democrats had the reputation of irresponsible public spending and the party most likely to get you involved in a war.  Republicans had the reputation of fiscal responsibility (to the point that worthy public projects were ignored) and adverse to national policies that interrupted the "business as usual" theme.  In other words, they avoided war because in the long run, a properly armed military was expensive to maintain, and in the short run, wars are damned expensive.

Because of the wide spread reporting of facts (and nonfacts), it is difficult to focus on what exactly the candidates are saying.

So, tell me.  What defines the Republican party?  What defines the Democratic party?

Can you list one or two items that you believe clearly characterizes either party?

There's no point in singling out Bush or Kerry. If someone says "well, Kerry threw his medals away," then someone else will say "well, Bush avoided military service during Vietnam to the extent that he was a "no-show" in Alabama. You can see what they're (Democrat and Republican party directors) are trying to do! They don't want us to focus on the issues -- they want to turn the election into a beauty pageant.  Why?  Is it a conspiracy?  Nah, it's just proven to be effective in the past.

Name just a principle or two of the Republican or Democrat party.  I dare you. :)

curly

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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2004, 06:55:28 PM »
Umm Curly, I think you've lost it.


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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2004, 07:02:34 PM »
For both:

No real difference in parties; just in the candidates personally, SFAICT

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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2004, 07:04:26 PM »
I think it can be summed up by saying that the Republicans are extremists, and the Democrats are moderates.

Bring it!

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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2004, 07:13:52 PM »
Well, Nash, if the Demos thought they could get away with it, they would be very extreme, but they know that will not fly, so they cloak the party in moderate rhetoric.

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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2004, 07:15:59 PM »
As opposed to the Repubs who ram whatever it is through regardless of anything.

See?

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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2004, 08:32:01 PM »
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Umm Curly, I think you've lost it.


Now just come this way, put on this "Fun" jacket and you can bounce around in this room all you want!


Cool. ;)  Name one for each party.  Just one.

curly

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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2004, 08:39:15 PM »
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Originally posted by AKcurly
So, tell me.  What defines the Republican party?  What defines the Democratic party?


Abortion rights...

Pro-choice = Dem
Pro-life = Rep
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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2004, 08:46:47 PM »
Democrats: High tax big-government socialists
Republicans: Deficit spending big-government socialists.  

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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2004, 08:48:52 PM »
curly, one issue that's high on my list of priorties is labor issues. One thing that's happened in the Bush administration is that rulings against organized labor by Bush appointed boards are quite common and amendments on overtime rules strip workers of hard fought rules.

I know alot of the guys here feel things like OSHA regulations and minimum wage laws only impede the progress of business, and I respect that. However, the fabric of America is its middle class, and the Democrats do more to protect that fabric than the Republicans do.

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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2004, 08:50:14 PM »
The general feeling I get is that the republicans are against gun control, abortion, liberal welfare state, overtaxation, intrusive government to name a few.  

The democratic party seems to support gun control, abortion, a liberal welfare state, overtaxation, intrusive government....

Things have changed these last two years and the lines seperating the parties have become muddled thanks to 9/11, the patriot act, George Bush.

I am for freedom to lawfully own firearms unregulated and regulated full auto firearms, I am almost totally anti abortion but conceed ultimate right to the mother.  I detest the concept of a welfare state but agree about temporary safety nets for women with children.  I believe in never contributing more than 30% of gross income for all taxes combined.  I am against intrusive government in time of peace but concede that intrusion is a vital but distasteful fact of war being waged by islam against freedom.

Just to name a few and hey, I reserve the right to change my mind on any subject at any time (Call me a Kerry-go-round, if you must)  :aok
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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2004, 08:52:23 PM »
lol nm :)

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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2004, 09:09:39 PM »
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Originally posted by AKcurly


Name just a principle or two of the Republican or Democrat party.  I dare you. :)

curly


easy - the main thing they both want is POWER

Republicans - consist of conservative moderates, christian fundies/social conservatives/anti-choice, defense industry and large corporations, fiscal conservatives, neo-cons and  some libertarians

they stand for keeping wages and worker benefits low to benefit the corporations

tax cuts that favor the rich over the poor and regressive tax policies in general

Defense spending and corporate welfare in particular

cutting social spending-

deregulation of industry

Right now neo-con PNAC guys are in favor at the White House - Rummy, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Kristoff - this group was founded in the 80's by those folks and Dan Quayle and Jeb Bush - their goal is to secure energy reserves so that the oil dependent US military will always be ready to operate.  They have advocated preemptive strikes to gain their ends.

To sell this package to the regular folks they villify liberals and anyone else who thinks differently.  They hype wedge issues like guns and abortion to polarize the electorate and pick up single issue voters.  Talk radio and the christian right have ginned up support as well.  The right wing is very disciplined and everything is planned to the detail.  

Republicans are at their best when they are running as anti-establishment candidates, because when they get in power their agenda leads to crappy situations for the working class.



Democrats, or the party of the big tent, consist of about everyone else and are completely disorganized, focused on a thousand different things.  They do not identify themselves as democrats as easily as republicans do.

Democratic principles include:

government of the people must level the playing field between the working class and the corporations.  this in the form of wage laws, OSHA, EPA and other regulations such as SEC.  

as of the last two decades, Democrats have become the party of fiscal responsibility.  Republicans have not been balancing budgets where democrats have.

Freedom - the government needs to stay out of the bedroom, personal liberties is the heart of liberal thought.  




Im sure Im missing a lot from each side but there are a few for each and I tried to be fair about it, although I know I will get flamed from all quarters.

Curly you should not take the word of others.  Go and do some research and find out for yourself what the parties are all about.

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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2004, 09:11:14 PM »
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The general feeling I get is that the republicans are against gun control, abortion, liberal welfare state, overtaxation, intrusive government to name a few.  

The democratic party seems to support gun control, abortion, a liberal welfare state, overtaxation, intrusive government....

Things have changed these last two years and the lines seperating the parties have become muddled thanks to 9/11, the patriot act, George Bush.

I am for freedom to lawfully own firearms unregulated and regulated full auto firearms, I am almost totally anti abortion but conceed ultimate right to the mother.  I detest the concept of a welfare state but agree about temporary safety nets for women with children.  I believe in never contributing more than 30% of gross income for all taxes combined.  I am against intrusive government in time of peace but concede that intrusion is a vital but distasteful fact of war being waged by islam against freedom.

Just to name a few and hey, I reserve the right to change my mind on any subject at any time (Call me a Kerry-go-round, if you must)  :aok



that is a lot of middle ground where we can agree on things.

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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2004, 09:50:11 PM »
Their names. What do I win?
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