Author Topic: cannon jamming (Read 956 times)

Swoop · « **Reply #15 on:** April 29, 2004, 07:06:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Maniac
Im not sure i want my guns jamming after i have fought myself to a killing position...

Depends. If you wuz flying an aircraft known to have mildly dodgy guns and you fired a 30 second burst while pulling a constant 5 Gs......then you'd damn well expect one or more to jam. If however, you being aware of the issue with P51B guns, you fired in short bursts, always being careful to unload G before pulling the trigger......then you could be sure your guns won't jam.

Nothing random about it.

ViFF · « **Reply #16 on:** April 29, 2004, 07:36:09 PM »

no for gun jams.
no for faulty spark plugs.
no for faulty oxygen systems.
no for random system failures.
no for motion sickness that makes you barf all over the windshield.
no for any loose debris in the cockpit that gets in your eyes when doing neg G maneuvers.
no for popping your eardrums when diving from 25k to 5k trying to escape the con on your tail.

how bored are you really ??????

players should not be penalised for just flying.

BenDover · « **Reply #17 on:** April 29, 2004, 08:19:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Swoop
No.

The problem is you have to take into account anecdotal information. Which is what we in Britain call 'well dodgy'.

The only thing I can think of off hand is P51B MGs were supposed to have been famous for jamming when fired under a G load. The MGs in the 51D weren't. Don't ask me why, I'm no expert.

It was something to do with the way the guns were mounted, i think they were on a 45° angle....or something

Kweassa · « **Reply #18 on:** April 30, 2004, 02:57:05 AM »

Depends on point of view.

While some may see such things as being "penalized", others quite contrarily view them as one of those many factors which make the game all so more interesting.

Not sure if it would be practical in the MA, but it would be a viable feature in the ToD mode, since HT already mentioned a possibilty of implementing "ground service" issues in ToD.

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One thing for certain is people sure will hesitate the good ol' "risk a blackout, yank the stick and blast away into the black monitor hoping that you get a good deflection hit" if jams are ever, modelled.

Swoop · « **Reply #19 on:** April 30, 2004, 03:02:38 AM »

Has Viff actually read any of this ya reckon?

We're not talking about random failures for no reason, we're talking about a failure that you, the pilot, cause by your actions.

I'd also like to see engines overheating and dying from the result of full power and wep for too long. Flaps that actually become damaged and inoperable if deployed at high speeds instead of autoretracting as we have now.

Batz · « **Reply #20 on:** April 30, 2004, 03:38:06 AM »

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I'd also like to see engines overheating and dying from the result of full power and wep for too long.

Pyro answered that, search for Vulcan's thread on Engine Management.

Swoop · « **Reply #21 on:** April 30, 2004, 03:58:46 AM »

Yeah, he said he was against it and never replied to the EAW example. Doesn't mean I'm gonna stop wanting to see it......

Central · « **Reply #22 on:** April 30, 2004, 08:24:28 AM »

recall reading a bio on a wwII pilot who said, he would push (neg Gs) when he saw enemy tracers, knowing they would stop cause the guns would jam in a neg G.

Tilt · « **Reply #23 on:** April 30, 2004, 10:10:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Sikboy
Don't forget:

The Hispano NEVER JAMS! and my ShVAK ALWAYS JAMS! It just more evidence of the OBVIOUS bias in HTC's modeling!

-Sik

Actually whilst many cannon could jam when fired under high G the nose mounted Svaks on the la7 and la5 could be cleared from within the cockpit.........

now if we modelled that!

Swoop · « **Reply #24 on:** April 30, 2004, 11:57:15 AM »

get's complicated doesn't it.

Karnak · « **Reply #25 on:** April 30, 2004, 02:31:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Swoop
Yeah, he said he was against it and never replied to the EAW example. Doesn't mean I'm gonna stop wanting to see it......

No, he explained why it wasn't realistic. He didn't simply say he was against it. EAW and IL2 have engine heat systems that are just as gamey as AH's. The fact is that most WWII aircraft could run at WEP (assuming no NO2, MW50 or other such additives) until they ran out of fuel. It simply required the engine's maintainance schedule to have shorter periods between overhauls.

As to cannon jamming, why impliment a gamey concept? Not all cannons jammed under G load at a significantly greater rate than under normal firing condidtions. Arbitrarily setting it up so that your cannons (not machineguns?) jam if you are pulling over, say, 4 Gs is no more realistic than them never jamming.

Swoop · « **Reply #26 on:** April 30, 2004, 03:46:37 PM »

Karnak,

No-one's saying that all cannons jam if fired at 4G. Where has anyone said that? .......Um......appart from the thread starter who I'm choosing the ignore for the purposes of this response.

What's been said is that certain types of gun are known to have had problems with jamming. It's also been suggested that any kind of random fault is a bad idea (and I agree), so what's been suggested in response is faults caused only by pilot action in weapons that would have suffered by said fault historically.

However, it's also been suggested, by me, that it's all far to complicated anyway what with there being no hard and fast data on every aircraft weapon and it's proneness to jamming under whatever conditions you can think of.

And as for the engine thingy, I'm just looking for a way to prevent people from flying around at full power all the time.

BenDover · « **Reply #27 on:** April 30, 2004, 05:33:16 PM »

what about manual radiator flaps or crowl flaps?

Rafe35 · « **Reply #28 on:** April 30, 2004, 06:26:15 PM »

I know some few problems for Vought F4U-1C in before War ended and some pilots of VF-85 and VMF-311 complaining about Why their guns jammed?

The answer? The answer is because their gun froze up over 10,000 or 15,000 Alt feet and the US Government told them to stay off 10k or higher. The government told them that the Gun Heater will be added for 1C. but it was little too late and war was ended. Vought promise that Future Corsair will added Gun Heater and it work well in Cold Korean War.

Rafe

Kweassa · « **Reply #29 on:** April 30, 2004, 09:40:14 PM »

Naw, Karnak, Pyro said most planes can run at military power ad infinitum, not emergency power.