Author Topic: cannon jamming (Read 955 times)

Ike 2K# · « **on:** April 29, 2004, 10:44:56 AM »

Cannon jamming on cannon-armed planes like spits, typh/temp, A6M, C-hog (few exaples of cannon-armed fighters) should be modeled onAH2 when pulling high load Gs...

agree or disagree?

btw, i got this idea from Microprose's European Air War

SKurj · « **Reply #1 on:** April 29, 2004, 10:48:35 AM »

not so simple...

why should they jam? when should they jam?

Hey why didn't his gun jam?!? he was firin longer than me!

SKurj

Stratocaster · « **Reply #2 on:** April 29, 2004, 10:55:21 AM »

PSHHHHHHHHH NO!

Innominate · « **Reply #3 on:** April 29, 2004, 11:09:09 AM »

And machine guns are immune to jamming?

Sikboy · « **Reply #4 on:** April 29, 2004, 11:10:53 AM »

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Originally posted by SKurj
not so simple...

why should they jam? when should they jam?

Hey why didn't his gun jam?!? he was firin longer than me!

SKurj

Don't forget:

The Hispano NEVER JAMS! and my ShVAK ALWAYS JAMS! It just more evidence of the OBVIOUS bias in HTC's modeling!

-Sik

Swoop · « **Reply #5 on:** April 29, 2004, 11:31:57 AM »

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Originally posted by SKurj
why should they jam? when should they jam?

They should jam when you fire them under a hi G load.

Flyboy · « **Reply #6 on:** April 29, 2004, 11:43:18 AM »

as long as the jamming is not randomal.

frank3 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 29, 2004, 12:05:20 PM »

B-17 defensive guns jammed alot too

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #8 on:** April 29, 2004, 12:18:58 PM »

Guns should only jam when they are being fired at me!! End of story.. 8)

dude

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #9 on:** April 29, 2004, 12:20:02 PM »

Above 10,000 meters, the moisture on a cold machine gun would turn to ice or frost in the high altitudes, so they would sometimes jam.

SELECTOR · « **Reply #10 on:** April 29, 2004, 12:25:01 PM »

also if one gun jams on one wing, will firing the guns result in the aircraft swinging due to the recoil.. this is whatg happened on real aircraft..

Zanth · « **Reply #11 on:** April 29, 2004, 12:30:09 PM »

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Originally posted by SELECTOR
also if one gun jams on one wing, will firing the guns result in the aircraft swinging due to the recoil.. this is whatg happened on real aircraft..

AH already models this as evident when you fire the 40mm of the Hurricane that has them. Currently they fire seqentually (a mistake corrected in AH2) and they indeed yaw the plane greatly.

SKurj · « **Reply #12 on:** April 29, 2004, 04:14:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Swoop
They should jam when you fire them under a hi G load.

All cannon should Swoop? and lets not forget MG's...

See this is not a simple task to make "guns jam"

I'd hazard a guess its definitely not worth the hassle.

One big reason why.... there likely isn't any real concrete data on when, why, and how often a certain gun type jammed... so how can it be modelled accurately? When no measure of "accurately" exists...
Opps lets not forget concrete data would have to exist for all guns before it could even be considered..

SKurj

Swoop · « **Reply #13 on:** April 29, 2004, 06:35:07 PM »

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Originally posted by SKurj
All cannon should Swoop? and lets not forget MG's...

No.

The problem is you have to take into account anecdotal information. Which is what we in Britain call 'well dodgy'.

The only thing I can think of off hand is P51B MGs were supposed to have been famous for jamming when fired under a G load. The MGs in the 51D weren't. Don't ask me why, I'm no expert.

Maniac · « **Reply #14 on:** April 29, 2004, 06:40:23 PM »

Im not sure i want my guns jamming after i have fought myself to a killing position...

I have to vote no on this one...