Casualty lists are inflated by media..

[muckmaw]

To me, it does not matter where he/she died.

They're heroic just for putting on the uniform.

What matters to me is the cause of death.

Traffic accidents, natural causes, and training accidents that routinely happen when not deployed should not be reported in the casualty lists.

All I want is a fair and honest reporting of the situation. I guess thats too much to ask for from the media, huh?

[rpm]

Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
He was injured in a combat zone, correct?

A soldier injured/killed in theater should be shown as a combat casualtie...  Seems reasonable..

dude

I believe that is the criteria.


Muck, you honestly believe "The Media" is running a covert action against the American people? Do they transport these secret plans to dupe the unsuspecting public in their Black Helicopters? If anyone has been telling lies about the war, it has been Bush & Co.
I do have to agree this is nothing like Vietnam. In Vietnam we were engaged against an enemy that was fighting a guerilla war. You couldn't tell the civilians from the combatants and we were losing hundreds of soldiers each month...hmmm wait a minute.

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by rpm371
I believe that is the criteria.


Muck, you honestly believe "The Media" is running a covert action against the American people? Do they transport these secret plans to dupe the unsuspecting public in their Black Helicopters? If anyone has been telling lies about the war, it has been Bush & Co.
I do have to agree this is nothing like Vietnam. In Vietnam we were engaged against an enemy that was fighting a guerilla war. You couldn't tell the civilians from the combatants and we were losing hundreds of soldiers each month...hmmm wait a minute.

RPM-

I honestly believe the media is a business for profit. Plain and simply. Panic sells. They inflate the numbers. Are they collaborating on this effort to undermine the operation? Of course not. But they are putting their profit margins ahead of the greater good.

No matter how you slice it, at the very least it is poor journalism.

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by GScholz
Coalition fatalities due to hostile action: 621 (3,022 wounded)

Non-combat related fatalities: 221 (444 injured)

Total coalition fatalities per 29 April 2004: 842 (3466 wounded/injured)


A nice graph: http://lunaville.com/warcasualties/Timelines.aspx

The total number works out the same, but I do not agree with the 621 due to hostile action.

I personally read every description of every combat death on the link provided and counted them up myself, taking out the ones caused by non-combat action.

[VOR]

Was it not said that the US would bring 'peace and prosperity' to Iraqi??

As soon as all the bad guys are dead or dispirited enough, sure. Might take a minute.

BTW, I have still not received my oil. Anyone know how to file a formal complaint?

[vorticon]

Muck...while they did "inflate" the numbers the media did release the actual causes of death...you calculated the actual combat related deaths...theres nothing stopping anyone else...seems fair enough to me

[cpxxx]

You guys amaze me sometimes. Only 501 combat casualties? Yeah well that's OK then. Much better than that damm lefty media spin including all those accidents to makd GWB look bad and damage his election prospects.  You can add the ten US military  killed today, Thursday, all combat deaths. How many will die tonight as we sit all cosy and secure in our homes?

 You can bury your head in the sand and console yourself with the figures as much as you like but there are over a hundred killed in action this month alone.  There's a real war going on out there. Men are getting killed every day.  It's not Vietnam but I dare say the combat soldiers can barely tell the difference.
The video on the news reminds of the footage from another April in  Hue during the Tet offensive. Marines fighting street battles and taking casualties. Gunships pouring fire into rebel positions. But it's happening right now as I write this. This is not guerrila tactics. It's street fighting.

At what point do you wake up and realise that the whole damm thing has gone badly wrong. It wasn't supposed to be like this. You really can't blame liberal media spin or John Kerry for this mess.  

Only 501 make that 511 combat deaths. Yes that's OK, not so bad.???  But the others died on active service in a hostile country.  That counts. They were doing their duty and they died. It's insulting to their families to minimise their loss simply because it's politically embarrassing for their Commander in Chief and makes right wingers like Muckmaw uncomfortable. They died because of the war. End of story.

[Eagler]

sorry for each loss of life but I think the average soldier accepts it better than the hand wringers back at home as unlike many of them, he believes he is doing the right thing for his country and proud to do it

whats a fireman without fires to fight, police without criminals - its what they signed up to do - let them do it with the knowing we back at home fully support and believe in them, not undermining the cause & thus them, at every turn

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Eagler
whats a fireman without fires to fight, police without criminals - its what they signed up to do -

As analogies go, I do not think that is a good one.

[stratman]

Originally posted by GScholz
"So honor the valiant who die 'neath your sword, but pity the warrior who slays all his foes."

-"The Fall of Kang" by the Klingon poet G'trock

Yeah thats funny.

[MrLars]

It seems that I was wrong, dead wrong on what I posted in this thread.

My source was similar to Rips source for his WMD post except that it's spin was in the opposite direction. A totaly unreliable and politcaly biased source that I should have never read seriously in the first place.

My apologies.

[GtoRA2]

Mrlars!

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Takes a good man to admit when he was wrong..

[stratman]

Well seeing as your such a trekkie TARD
Live long and prosper:aok

[Dago]

Was it not said that the US would bring 'peace and prosperity' to Iraqi??  

Oh yeah, we just forgot to flip the "instant peace and prosperity" switch on.

As VOR alluded, bringing about such a change might just take a while, it's a long process.

But please TheDudeDVant, post the link to where that was stated, I would be interested to read it.

dago

[Sixpence]

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