Thanks for the praise MaddogJoe, but you had me on the defensive the whole fight. Great flying I could not shake you. That P38 had no trouble staying on my P51B’s six. My WB handle was sarnak and I flew with VMF-214 from 1997 to 2001 with gnsnke, -gaze-, -wasp-, popfox, smketr, and –free-. Then with WBIII coming out members seemed to lose interest or like me had other obligations. So now I am trying to fit in some flying time, thanks for the replies.