Author Topic: The Ol Screenshot Crapola Manuver! (Read 583 times)

Thunder · « **on:** December 30, 2000, 01:47:00 PM »

I am not saying this is cheap, sleezy, wrong, cheating or any of that whiny stuff..just an observation.

Todays Action: I was on a F6F.. he goes straight. I have a higher E and I close fast on his six. As I get to 500 to 450 and about to fire HE starts to fire. He stays straight and (I beleive hit ALT S) he reapears on MY six and I pick up some pings. I pulled off quick and hard right and climbed. I watched this happen again from above with to another attacker. It is a tactic that is being used by just a few. What does the community think??

Thunder

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #1 on:** December 30, 2000, 01:55:00 PM »

I could go on about this for some time thunder... but I'll leave it with this...

Its best not to re-introduce this complaint as a cheat. It would also be good if you didn't describe how to do it.

Only two things will come of what you just posted:

1. People will try it
2. People will say everyone is using it.

AKDejaVu

Westy · « **Reply #2 on:** December 30, 2000, 02:08:00 PM »

Creating a delay by taking a screen shot is baloney. Try it out and se for yoursefl. Fly next to someome, hit print screen. Do it ten times fast. Ask the other person if you warped. You won't.

-Westy

JimBear · « **Reply #3 on:** December 30, 2000, 02:48:00 PM »

Westy is right, when in formation with Squad m8s I am always snapping shots. Not ONCE has anyone reported lag or any other phenomena as a result.

JimBear

Maverick · « **Reply #4 on:** December 30, 2000, 02:56:00 PM »

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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
I could go on about this for some time thunder... but I'll leave it with this...

Its best not to re-introduce this complaint as a cheat. It would also be good if you didn't describe how to do it.

Only two things will come of what you just posted:

1. People will try it
2. People will say everyone is using it.

AKDejaVu

Dejavu,

This is happening now already. It is not an unusual occurrence and ignoring it does not help HTC eliminate it. I have seen it in my very limited time in MA on more than one sorty. The fact that I fly less than 20 sorties in MA during a tour should give you an idea of the scope of the problem.

The fact that hacks and "cheats" are happening is a known issue. Which ones are being used in a given time period is not. Only by getting these things out in the open can the game developers be clued in to closing the loopholes. I do, however, agree that posting how to do the cheat is not a good thing.

The only solution is to post the problem, film it and send it in to HTC. There is a negative situation about filming and sending the file. In order to know the name of the person using the "game aid" you will have to be shot down or die. The game doesn't give you the identity of the opponent on the other side until you either kill him or die from his efforts. Given the current emphasis on points to earn the ever desired "perk" ride you will have to sacrifice the points. If you lose all points each time you die then you are asking (expecting) quite a bit for a player to sacrifice to make a film with the identity of the perpetrator on it. No name in the film means no action can be taken as the identity can't be determined.

Failing to do any of this simply gives the "inventive" player carte blanche to do whatever they want while the "ostriches" stick their heads in the sand and ignore the problem hoping it will go away.

Mav

SKurj · « **Reply #5 on:** December 30, 2000, 03:15:00 PM »

Mav see above, then make an intelligent reply..

AKskurj

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #6 on:** December 30, 2000, 03:15:00 PM »

BS Maverick.

HTC has known about this problem for 4 years now. Does anyone that played Warbirds not know about this?

I know many do.. because whenever certain pilots missed me on the first pass... I would get accused of using it.

The "cheat" is a double edged sword. Every time I've heard the accusation leveled at me, I've known I didn't use it. I guess that creates a certain sensitivity to the whole thing.

This post just fuels the accusations. HTC has known about the problem for some time. Much longer than AH has been around.. that's for sure.

AKDejaVu

StSanta · « **Reply #7 on:** December 30, 2000, 04:50:00 PM »

The nature of this "cheat" is such that it cannot be circumvented by any programmer - unless that programmer hacks into windows code and alters it. Unfortunately.

I hope that NO ONE knowing what I am talking about post info on how this is done. Suffice is to say that it exists and we wanna keep the lid on it, and our mouths shut.

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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"

Voss · « **Reply #8 on:** December 30, 2000, 05:13:00 PM »

Mav, I think if you have a film of anyone flying and you send it to HTC, they can find out who it is. I'm not sure, but I think so.

Voss 13th T.A.S.

Thunder · « **Reply #9 on:** December 30, 2000, 07:19:00 PM »

I don't understand why keeping silent or not describing it in detail gains us anything here. If it's OK to do it, it's OK by me. If it's not good for the game HiTech could just take the screenshots out and we can get our screenshots from a film. You can get a better angle for a screenshot there anyway.

AKDejavu... I have been flying in online Flightsims for over 10 yrs and I have been aware of this for many years. It is starting to resurface again. The fact that some want it to be out of sight or under the table and known to only a few is not a good reason. Simply eliminating the Alt S command would solve it if itis a problem. I just posted to see how everyone felt.. If its not a problem people will leave this thread alone and we can all concider it a fair tactic. If it needs to be looked at then lets see what people think.

Thunder

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #10 on:** December 30, 2000, 07:26:00 PM »

So thunder, all you've really done was point out that this bug is still there. And to remind people just how/when to use it.

Good job.

AKDejaVu

Thunder · « **Reply #11 on:** December 30, 2000, 08:49:00 PM »

This is really interesting!!! Westy and JimBear say it CAN'T happen! SKurj tells Mav to beleive what they write at face value. And AKDejaVu complains that I am exposing a KNOWN bug and writing in detail about it. Guys which is it... ??? I smell a RAT

Thunder

Midnight · « **Reply #12 on:** December 30, 2000, 10:08:00 PM »

I heard from a reliable source that ALT-S will be disabled during flight and will only work during film playback.

This was a problem in AW and that is how it was fixed there.

The problem can happen, but it depends on the user's computer and connection type. It is easier to make on some computers, but I won't describe as per DeJaVue's request.

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"Wing up, Get kills, Be happy"

Midnight
13th TAS

Maverick · « **Reply #13 on:** December 30, 2000, 10:09:00 PM »

1. Skurj, if you have something to say, be adult about it and say it or be silent.

2. Dejavu, this is not isolated it is freaking rampant. This is not a thing known to a few who use it, it is very common. Hiding your head in the sand and not posting about it gains you nothing but the acquiescence of the use of this "aid". Why is it important to you that they be allowed to continue to use it?

3. The main point of my previous post was not to insinuate that you are in favor of the use of these methods. It was to get people motivated enough to do something about it. Pointing out a, now built in, penalty for filming and reporting it is an observation that those who do take an active part in keeping this game clean are indeed sacrificing something. If you don't either kill the person doing it you must be killed BY the person doing it to confirm the identity thanks to the current icon limitations. I'd like to think that HTC can determine who it is from the film but I frankly have not seen either HT or Pyro state they can. Until then I'll stick with the only demonstrated method of determining the identity of the cheater. I will film it and send it in when I find it.

By not doing anything about these players you condone their actions. That doesn't make much of a difference between those who do it and those who allow them to.

If you don't want to help at least stay out of the way and not hinder those who do want to keep AH a fun level playing field.

flame away....

Mav

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #14 on:** December 30, 2000, 10:32:00 PM »

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this is not isolated it is freaking rampant. This is not a thing known to a few who use it, it is very common. Hiding your head in the sand and not posting about it gains you nothing but the acquiescence of the use of this "aid". Why is it important to you that they be allowed to continue to use it?

It is something that everyone would like to see gone.

Let me ask you this: Does HTC know the problem exists?

Now.. if they know about the problem, but can't fix it... WHAT FRICKING GOOD DOES POINTING IT OUT OVER AND OVER DO?!?!?

It serves only to remind people how/when to do it. That is all. This thread servers zero purpose other than that.

AKDejaVu