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Offline Nashwan

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« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2004, 07:10:33 PM »
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The sentence IS rediculously light. Had he been trialed by the civilian court, this would have been greatly more severe.


Like Nahum Korman's?

Korman was the security officer for a settlement near Bethlem. In the morning, some Palestinian children had thrown stones at settler's cars.

Korman drove to a nearby village, grabbed an 11 year old child he thought had been involved, knocked him to the ground, stood on his neck, and hit him on the head with the but of his pistol. The boy suffered a fractured skull and his spinal cord was broken. He died the next day in hospital. Korman got 6 months community service.

That was in 1996.


Between the 19th December 1987 and 18th March 2001, Israeli settlers killed 119 Palestinians in the occupied territories.

In six cases, the police did not bother to investigate.

In 39 cases, the investigation was closed with no action.

22 cases resulted in conviction

Six were murder, seven manslaughter, seven negligence, two "firing in a public area", illegal possesion of a weapon, and endangering people on a highway.

4 of the 5 convicted of murder had their sentences reduced or pardons from the president or parole board.

One of those was Yoram Skolnick, who shot dead a Palestinian who was tied up on the ground. Sentenced to life, he was released after 7.5 years.
(In total, the muder convictions were:
Life imprisonment;
Life imprisonment, reduced to 13 years' imprisonment;
Life imprisonment, reduced to 15 years' imprisonment, later reduced to 11.25 years’ imprisonment. The Prisons Service decided to release him after 7.5 years, and the High Court of Justice approved the early release.
Fifteen years' imprisonment, reduced to 12 years' imprisonment, and then to 10 years’ imprisonment.
Sixteen years' imprisonment, reduced to 13 years’ imprisonment.
Sentence has not yet been imposed.

The longest sentence for murdering a Palestinian was 13 years)

5 of those convicted of manslaughter got less than 4 years, one got 7.5 years, one got 6 months community service.

5 of those convicted of causing death by negligence got community service, one got 5 months, one 18 months.

In the same period, Palestinians killed 114 Israeli settlers (read that again, in 14 years, which included the whole of the first intifada and the first 8 months of the second, Israeli settlers killed more Palestinian civilians than Palestinians killed Israel settlers)

Every case was investigated

In 10 case the case was closed

32 people were convicted, 30 for murder, 1 as an accomplice to murder.

17 suspects were killed by the IDF, 2 during the incidents, 15 afterwards

12 houses were demolished, 2 sealed, 8 partially sealed.

None of the convicted were pardoned or had sentences reduced, most are likely to be held in "administrative detention" after their sentences are up.
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« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2004, 08:54:33 PM »
And yet Israel has by far the best system of justice in the entire Middle East.

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« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2004, 09:01:20 PM »
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Originally posted by Otto
Iran's Justice System is truly advanced.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2430139.stm


"The US State Department had earlier issued a statement condemning the verdict as "a breach of accepted international standards of due process", and vowing to stand "with the people of Iran in their quest for greater freedom, prosperity, judicial due process and the rule of law."

Sounds like a good reason to invade to me.
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« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2004, 10:20:18 PM »
Nashwan, your knowledge never ceases to amaze me, but I do get the feeling that you do more of fact collecting then of understanding.

how much time SHOULD he be in prison? 1 4 7 10 15 20 years? Is he a "danger to society"?
obviosly 2 month is too little. but how much is enough? How much for those other guys you mentioned? (which by the way, both their releases smelt badly of politics and stirred the anger of the left wing crowd)

what will you do with the american pilot who bombed a wedding in afganistan killing 50? who killed so many Iraqi civillians this past month? I don't see so many trials going on in britain of british soldiers (and I'm not talking about peeing on prisoners crimes).

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« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2004, 05:28:44 AM »
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And yet Israel has by far the best system of justice in the entire Middle East.


I'd certainly agree with that.

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how much time SHOULD he be in prison? 1 4 7 10 15 20 years? Is he a "danger to society"?


How much time should you serve for beating a child so badly he dies? I'd say far more than 6 months community service. I'd say at least 7 years.

Ask yourself would he have got community service if he'd been a Palestinian who'd killed a settler's child for throwing stones? Most likely he'd have been convicted of murder, and sentenced to life.

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Is he a "danger to society"?


From my understanding, the Israeli justice systems is like most in that it bases sentences not just on future risk, but with an element of retribution for the crime in question. So even if he would never offend again, he should still be punished for the crime of killing a child.

Yoram Skolnick, who got let out after 7.5 years for murder, associates with Kach, afaik, so I'd say he's certainly at risk of reoffending.

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what will you do with the american pilot who bombed a wedding in afganistan killing 50?


I'd investigate to see if he was negligent. If he was, depending on the level of negligence, I'd either reprimand him, dismiss him, or imprison him.

The IDF has killed a great many Palestinian bystanders over the years, which is inevitable given the situation. I'm not suggesting most of them are guilty of anything, although I'd like to see at least some sort of investigation into every unintended death.

But Skolnick shot dead a bound man at point blank range, deliberately. That's not negligence, it's murder.  Korman beat a child to death, and even if it's negligence (which I suspect wouldn't be the case if the child weren't Palestinian), the beating was deliberate. He didn't think the child was shooting at him, as is the case of pilot at the Afghan wedding.

Korman was annoyed someone had thrown stones at cars, he attacked a child in retribution, the child died. Ask yourself what would happen if your car was vandilised, you suspected a neighbour's child, you attacked the child fracturing his skull and breaking his neck. Think you'd get off with 6 months community service?

I know if I tried it here, I'd get at least life with a reccomendation of 20 years.

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(which by the way, both their releases smelt badly of politics and stirred the anger of the left wing crowd)


That's the point. To a large part of Israeli society, letting out a murderer who's killed Palestinians is a political plus.

The Israeli legal system might be the best in the Middle East, but don't be fooloed into thinking it's fair or just in it's treatment of Palestinians.

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« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2004, 07:19:56 AM »
Iran a fair law system ?

what u read  the pravda ?
or alquida times.

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« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2004, 08:31:50 AM »
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Originally posted by Otto
Iran's Justice System is truly advanced.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2430139.stm


if you did read that carefully and not only headlines, you could fine this

"The issuing of such verdicts by the judiciary has damaged the credibility of the judicial system, and the image of the Shia clerical establishment,"


Anyway since you already proved to be blind, i will write it again for you.

we are comparing CRIMINAL law...

have a nice time in your country w/o judiciary mistakes.

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« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2004, 08:35:01 AM »
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Iran a fair law system ?

what u read  the pravda ?
or alquida times.


source is our private terrorist organization.. you have links above


go trolling somewhere else, when you cannt post facts

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« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2004, 11:44:19 PM »
U made me mad by saying those us soldiers should be ashamed for fighting in vietnam

like they had a choice

they where in hell and when they came home....

there where people like u