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« Reply #45 on: May 06, 2004, 08:17:51 AM »
lada..  if the people behind the walls are free to come and go as they please then it is different than if the people behind the walls are not free to come and go as they please...  

An example of each would be a "gated community" here in the states being compared to a maximum security prison.

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« Reply #46 on: May 06, 2004, 08:21:56 AM »
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« Reply #47 on: May 06, 2004, 10:05:33 AM »
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When your shops and homes are getting bulldozed by the Israelis to increase their security cordon and there is 86% unemployment, I should think trying to lead a normal life is pretty tricky.


   Do you expect the Israelis to put down a Red Carpet for the bombers or somehow try and protect themselfs?  If the Palestinians were trying to learn a trade beyond Pyrotechnics there wouldn't be 86% unemployment.

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« Reply #48 on: May 06, 2004, 10:17:49 AM »
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lada..  if the people behind the walls are free to come and go as they please then it is different than if the people behind the walls are not free to come and go as they please...  

An example of each would be a "gated community" here in the states being compared to a maximum security prison.

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even if wall doesnt follow boarder ?

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« Reply #49 on: May 06, 2004, 10:28:46 AM »
Here's an interesting take on the 'petition' sent to Pres. Bush. Nice read, but I didn't have time to check the references.

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Joel Mowbray

May 6, 2004

Reflecting the perverse logic that has guided the U.S. State Department for decades, sixty former diplomats have written an open letter to President Bush denouncing the current administration’s “unabashed support” for the sole democracy in the Middle East: Israel.

The hyperbolic screed, released this week, is chock-full of gross overstatements and pure myth.

Yet far more important—and what the media will almost surely overlook—is the stench of bias emanating from almost all of the signers, particularly from the man who organized the effort, former Ambassador Andrew Killgore, who served in Qatar from 1977-1980.

The two-page letter follows the same basic script that has been used by the U.S. Foreign Service more or less since Israel achieved its independence in 1948: “the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is at the core of the problems in the Middle East.”

Blame for the trouble in the entire region—of which Israel holds less than one percent of the territory and less than two percent of the population—is pinned on “Sharon’s extra-judicial assassinations, Israel’s Berlin Wall-like barrier, [and] its harsh military measures in occupied territories.”

Never mind that the “extra-judicial assassinations” are of terrorist masterminds responsible for the mass slaughter of both innocent Israelis and brainwashed young Palestinians.  Or that Israel’s security fence is the furthest thing from a “Berlin Wall-like barrier.”

The letter also dabbles in fiction, stating, “By closing the door to negotiations with Palestinians and the possibility of a Palestinian state, you have proved that the U.S. is not an evenhanded peace partner.”

George W. Bush was the first U.S. president to endorse formally the goal of a Palestinian state, albeit one with leaders free from terrorist ties.  Standing firm with Sharon’s plan to combat terrorist leaders in no way conflicts with his explicit desire for a Palestinian state.

Israel is obviously imperfect and hardly beyond reproach, but the moral compass of these statesmen is seriously skewed.

Almost none has ever given more than lip service to the idea of condemning suicide bombings, and many of them have made their Golden years truly “golden” indeed, courtesy of the deep pockets of the Arab nations in which they formerly were stationed.

As noxious as the track records of many of the former diplomats may be, perhaps none is as toxic as that of the man who spearheaded the whole effort, former Ambassador Andrew Killgore.  A quick inspection of his history shows that he should be the last person giving lessons on “evenhandedness.”

Killgore may or may not be an anti-Semite, but he certainly could be mistaken for one.  That is a strong statement, to be sure, but it seems a fair assessment after spending some time at the website for the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs (http://www.wrmea.com), of which he is the co-founder and publisher.

The site’s front page keeps a counter only of foreign aid money given to Israel.  It calls for ending all military aid to Israel, though there is no similar call for ending the exact same level of aid given each year to Egypt for the same purpose, an arrangement that has existed since the Camp David Accords in 1978.

Killgore’s website also has a “Neocon Corner,” where he and others castigate one Jew or another for their sinister loyalties to Israel.  (One execption was a hit piece on Dick Cheney.)  Typical is a recent column on Richard Perle, former head of the Defense Policy Board.  In the course of 800 words, Killgore refers to Perle as: a “fervent Zionist,” a “dyed-in-the-wool Israel-Firster,” part of the “Zionist lobby,” “always active in Zionist organizations,” the “Prince of Darkness,” and a “Zionist ideologue.”

On its web page listing 27 “charitable organizations” are several with which no reasonable group would affiliate.  Many are well-known for their radical Islamist agendas, and two in particular should have raised red flags: the United Palestinian Appeal and the Kinder USA, both “charitable” organizations who share leadership with the Holy Land Foundation, which was closed in December 2001 for allegedly funneling money to Hamas.

Given Killgore’s clear biases, it is tempting to use the old line about the kettle and the pot.  More apt, however, would be the analogy, “said the desert to the grain of sand.”

©2004 Joel Mowbray

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« Reply #50 on: May 06, 2004, 12:51:54 PM »
lada... again not sure if I understand what you are saying but... if you are taliking about walls... they are all the same..  "boarders" are in the States as well as within the states... we have "walls" at the mexican border.   The walls are not to keep our people in.

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« Reply #51 on: May 06, 2004, 04:18:03 PM »
Lazs that wall does not follow boarder line, it cross boarder on several places and do not keep proper boarder.
Like 2 miles cut here and there... and so on for example

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« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2004, 02:03:13 AM »
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Lazs that wall does not follow boarder line, it cross boarder on several places and do not keep proper boarder.
Like 2 miles cut here and there... and so on for example


Which boarder?


Where is your outrage at the killings of civilians propogated by the 'palistinian army'?

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« Reply #53 on: May 07, 2004, 02:27:40 AM »
Well it was time someone to play that "antisemitism" card... :D

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« Reply #54 on: May 07, 2004, 09:25:55 AM »
Anti-semite, anti-christian, anti-muslem, anti-wiccan...

What the hell is the difference?
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« Reply #55 on: May 07, 2004, 09:49:55 AM »
what is a "wiccan"?

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« Reply #56 on: May 07, 2004, 09:50:19 AM »
Pagans.
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« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2004, 10:01:14 AM »
I thought that pagans were pagans?

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« Reply #58 on: May 07, 2004, 10:23:17 AM »
Lasz

A Wiccan is a type of pagan (like a .38 is a type of handgun).

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