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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2004, 10:25:02 AM »
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What about the private contractors that were doing such things. Even if we reform our army, what about them?


Same thing, demand that they have training and behavior standards. Alsa write those into their contracts and hold the them peronally liable for abuses.

Although I hate lawyers and whining lawsiots I personally cant wait for those Iraqis to sue the watermelon out of our country. We ****ed up BAD and we have to held accountyable - yes even financialy. This crap is not what America is about, it pisses me off beyond belief and I hope the guilty parties are severly punished.

Sandaman in light of the current situation consider the ROI of some better MP training early on.... I hope that area now gets a lot more funding...
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« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2004, 10:26:56 AM »
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What about the private contractors that were doing such things. Even if we reform our army, what about them?


As long as they fill out the daily TPS cover sheets, they are within behavioral specifications according to company policy.

Seriously, private companies need to conform to the policy of their customer, the USA.  Criminal charges are available to the government and will be undoubtably forthcoming.
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« Reply #47 on: May 08, 2004, 10:30:55 AM »
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As long as they fill out the daily TPS cover sheets, they are within behavioral specifications according to company policy.

Seriously, private companies need to conform to the policy of their customer, the USA.  Criminal charges are available to the government and will be undoubtably forthcoming.


Rumsfeld did say yesterday that they were assigned to military units and had US troops as their commanders. If they get everybody involved there will be alot of openings in the military.
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« Reply #48 on: May 08, 2004, 10:40:03 AM »
You know this all started from the military letting people run in tennis shoes during PT.

In other words disipline and just a general sense of toughness has gone down a bit it would seem.

We are getting too soft as a society and as an Army.

Ask yourslef this question.
Would this have happended under IKE in 1945?
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« Reply #49 on: May 08, 2004, 10:53:48 AM »
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Ask yourslef this question.
Would this have happended under IKE in 1945?


Yes, similar stuff like this happened.
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« Reply #50 on: May 08, 2004, 10:59:45 AM »
Ike himself was rabidly anti-Nazi in the post-war period. He and Patton had a serious disagreement on using former Nazis in leadership positions and Patton lost his job over it, basically.

The difference between then and now is the cooperation between the Press and the military. Voluntary censorship, if you will.

Yes, I'm sure stuff far worse than this happened in Germany after the Allied occupation.
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« Reply #51 on: May 08, 2004, 11:03:27 AM »
after power will be transfered to Iraqi, should iraqi judge them for crimes in iraq ?

I dont mean this one case, but in generaly.
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« Reply #52 on: May 08, 2004, 11:07:42 AM »
I'm reasonably certain that after the transfer of power, there will be a "Status of Forces" agreement between the US military and the new Iraqi Civil Authority. That agreement will determine how crimes are tried and punishment meted out for actions that occur after the transfer of power.

Crimes from before the transfer will be handled by the US military since it is (was) the "authority" in power at the time of the incident.
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« Reply #53 on: May 08, 2004, 11:12:00 AM »
im looking forward to see sutch agreement.

well since US refused to belong to International Law, i expect they would like to have imunity there as well
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« Reply #54 on: May 08, 2004, 11:14:43 AM »
This is nothing new, btw. This is standard procedure for the US military and has been since about the end of WW2, IIRC.

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Status-of-forces agreements are not basing or access agreements. Rather, they define the legal status of U.S. personnel and property in the territory of another nation. The purpose of such an agreement is to set forth rights and responsibilities between the United States and the host government on such matters as criminal and civil jurisdiction, the wearing of the uniform, the carrying of arms, tax and customs relief, entry and exit of personnel and property, and resolving damage claims.

Status-of-forces agreements generally come in three forms. These include administrative and technical staff status under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Privileges, commonly referred to as A and T status; a “mini” status-of-forces agreement, often used for a short-term presence, such as an exercise; and a full-blown, permanent status-of-forces agreement. The appropriate arrangement is dependent upon the nature and duration of U.S. military activity within the host country, the maturity of our relationship with that country, and the prevailing political situation in the host nation. Specialists who work status-of-forces agreement issues within the Air Force, the office of the secretary of defense, and the department of state are available to help make this assessment and to assist in negotiating any necessary agreements.

The SOFA is usually an integral part of the overall military bases agreement that allows U.S. military forces to operate within the host country. Each SOFA is negotiated separately with the host country (although the United States has a multilateral SOFA with NATO members). Generally speaking, SOFAs have no standard points of differences; some, however, may deal with particular circumstances unique to particular country.

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« Reply #55 on: May 08, 2004, 11:45:39 AM »
Sorry but this needs to be done:



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Lynndie England, 21, a rail worker's daughter, comes from a trailer park in Fort Ashby, West Virginia, which locals proudly call "a backwoods world".



[country twangy music]"SHE'S THE QUEEN OF MY DOUBLE WIDE"[/country twangy music]
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« Reply #56 on: May 08, 2004, 11:52:57 AM »
Smokin'! :aok
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« Reply #57 on: May 08, 2004, 11:54:57 AM »
Good Gad man she has a mouth like a bass!
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« Reply #58 on: May 08, 2004, 11:59:59 AM »
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[country twangy music]"SHE'S THE QUEEN OF MY DOUBLE WIDE"[/country twangy music]


Ain't no way she's a bluegrass or a Hank fan.  Probably is an urban wannabe and listens to rap.
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« Reply #59 on: May 08, 2004, 04:46:50 PM »
According to Grun's article, I doubt that there is a lot of rap being played in her hometown.
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