Rumsfeld doing a superb job ?

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
this sounds like propeganda to me.  Got any facts to prove its true

Hell it almost sounds like they should go back to torture chambers and mass graves.  Is there any turth to this "fact sheet"

LOL!  Oh that's rich, you post a bunch of unsubstatiated BS and ask if there are any facts to back up the rubuttal.  Every statement is already sourced and the sources are specified.  


The "fact sheet" referred to is the very same USAID "fact sheet" that Sgt. Reynolds claims to have used as a source for the information you posted.  Basically you are now calling into question the validity of the source of the very information that you yourself posted.  Sweet irony.

[_Schadenfreude_]

Originally posted by Yeager
Its a book your well versed in.

Careful Yeager....I might have to resort to an open discussion on the SE Asia games 1965 to 1973 and how to be humiliated by short people in black pajama's.

[Gixer]

by Gunslinger,
"Do you really think IRAQI Oil is gonna make a difference in the world market or our price at the pump."


Wouldn't hold my breath on that one. Be a long time before they can start shipping any oil in quantaties to make a difference on the world market since they keep on blowing up the pipe lines and scaring off all the civilian workers.

Funny enough Operation Iraqi Freedom was going to be Operation Iraqi Liberation until some think tank brain at the planning stage realised that abreviated to OIL.  



...-Gixer

[Gixer]

Originally posted by Yeager
Its a book your well versed in.

Britain is well versed at losing wars?  



...-Gixer

[lada]

Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Careful Yeager....I might have to resort to an open discussion on the SE Asia games 1965 to 1973 and how to be humiliated by short people in black pajama's.

IMAO


Schad their problem is that they still belive they won in Vietnam as well as they belive they did a lot of good (may be even great) thing over there

[lada]

Originally posted by Gixer
Britain is well versed at losing wars?  



...-Gixer

well Tony Blair is political Zombie

he will not win anything in next round

I guess he will leave politic

[Gixer]

Originally posted by lada
well Tony Blair is political Zombie

he will not win anything in next round

I guess he will leave politic

Blair isn't a Zombie, just Bush's Poodle and a very obvious one at that. Keeping on waiting to see Bush drop him on his back in front of some school children.

Blair won't leave politics but told to go as there will be a vote of no confidence well before the next election.



...-Gixer

[lada]

Originally posted by Gixer
Blair won't leave politics but told to go as there will be a vote of no confidence well before the next election.

...-Gixer

yeah you right he wont leave from his owen will.
But many members from his pol. party doesnt like him as well.

I said, i guess he will leave, not he is leaving by now.


He have a lot of more domestical problems, like he promised not to rise university fee`s and he raised it.

I would like to hear some trough from Brits here.

[Eagler]

is the chief of police asked resign evertime a crooked cop surfaces?

P-O-L-I-T-I-C-S = 275,000 signatures on Kerry petition

[gatt]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
All of THOSE iraqi prisoners are still breathing.

I'm sure some SS officers could have said the same thing at Nuremberg

[gatt]

Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Careful Yeager....I might have to resort to an open discussion on the SE Asia games 1965 to 1973 and how to be humiliated by short people in black pajama's.

Bull*it Schadenfreude,
this time the story is totally different. These guys are taller, bearded and wear mostly *white* pijamas.

[DoctorYO]

I see alot of you defending these actions as some isolated incident.  Yet there are well over 1000 pictures out there.  Note I think the soldiers about to be tried by court martial are scapegoats..

There is no way with the frequency of what was happening there that the blame falls on 6 soldiers etc..  let alone reservests guardsman (yes men) etc...  Its amusing that not one Officer bucked the chain and became a whistleblower with exception of MG Antonio Taguba's report.

Whats happened here is complete and total negligence of the chain of command.

I would say that falls under the Secretary of Defenses door step..  Note until the facts come out (especially if Rum was briefed by the Red Cross to these actions) that Rum should hold his job until further researched.  If he was briefed and did nothing then ax him..  If he was briefed and took action thats great..

This latest scandal is just icing on the cake, Rum has shown borderline incompetence with his choosing of minimal troops in a urban combat zone (that one I just can't tactically live with, its ****ing stupid, and his pentagon briefers have let him know..) Just read the Army Times, Im shure that magazine is some liberal front of disinformation ...   No exit strategy.. Another no no..  Old Europe new Europe speeches, alienation of our allies the list goes on and on and on..

As a former soldier I'd say Rum is a walking cluster ****.  Who has never been on the ground in a line unit ever and yet he's calling the shots as far as the logistics of warfare..  Whats next Oprah Winfrey as General of the Army describing salad tossing to the iraqis..

Wolfowitz may buy into it...



Rant end...



DoctorYO

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Thrawn
LOL!  Oh that's rich, you post a bunch of unsubstatiated BS and ask if there are any facts to back up the rubuttal.  Every statement is already sourced and the sources are specified.  


The "fact sheet" referred to is the very same USAID "fact sheet" that Sgt. Reynolds claims to have used as a source for the information you posted.  Basically you are now calling into question the validity of the source of the very information that you yourself posted.  Sweet irony.

After RE-reading the Debunking of the factsheet it sounds to me that Andrew Lazarus for his comment at dailyKos and whatever his credentials might be has nitpicked this thing pretty good.

- Over 400,000 kids have up-to-date immunizations.

He says this is "interesting' but FACT is kids are getting immunizations.  They may not be up to date but they are getting them.

"That being said, hundred of thousands of immunized children has got to be a good thing. "


Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first time
ever in Iraq.

Sounds like this is more or less true.  I guess having drinking water isnt important though.  lets read on.

- The country now receives 2 times the electrical power it did before the war.

Not true. According to the Fact Sheet, on March 11, 2004, power peaked at approximately 92% of "the pre-conflict generating level". ABC reports that power generation is off since last October and is averaging somewhere around pre-conflict generation.

Actually I have seen reports (they are up and down) that there has indeed been an increase in power production.  As more plants come back on line that that number will increase.

More power.....that's gotta be good.

100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed, compared to 35% before the war.

Not true. The Fact Sheet provides no information about this. But, the Washington Post on March 5, 2004 reported

• :

"Health Minister Khudair Fadhil Abbas said about 90 percent of the hospitals and clinics have been brought back to the same poor conditions as before the war but that the others will take more time to reach even that low level."

And US troops are building/refurbishing them every day.

OK so maybe not 100% but 90% to 35% is still an INCREASE


This guy sounds to me like a profesional nit picker.  I agree the FACTS may not be 100% accurate and sound glossed over..>BUT it is a TRUTH that things are getting better........[beatles]got to admit its getting better......its getting better all the time[/beatles]

[Yeager]

The sun never sets on the English Empire

[Sandman]

Hmmm... Powell had some interesting things to say this morning.

http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1892012

NPR didn't post the transcript of the interview, but you can listen to it.

"It could get worse before it gets better. But it will get better. I just don't know what tomorrow will bring, but this is not over yet."