Nuns accused of "Torturing" Deaf Children!!!

[StabbyTheIcePic]

Originally posted by muckmaw
Main Entry: 1tor·ture
Pronunciation: 'tor-ch&r
Function: noun
1 a : anguish of body or mind : AGONY b : something that causes agony or pain
2 : the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure
3 : distortion or overrefinement of a meaning or an argument

Main Entry: 1abuse
Pronunciation: &-'byüs
Function: noun
1 : a corrupt practice or custom
2 : improper or excessive use or treatment : MISUSE
3 obsolete : a deceitful act : DECEPTION
4 : language that condemns or vilifies usually unjustly, intemperately, and angrily
5 : physical maltreatment



I could not possibly disagree more, but I've no interest in continuing this exchange.

You do understand that kind of shame to a muslim is a form of mental torture, and physical. Tell me, how do you know those men were not in agony?

[Furious]

Originally posted by muckmaw
So because there were 2 proven murders of Iraqi Prisoners, out of the thousands in captivity, the others who were stripped and hazed were victums of torture?

Forgive me if I do not subscribe to this logic.

If the pictures had been reversed, the iraqis standing over naked americans, you would have blown a gasket.

Logic is one thing you do not seem to subscribe to very often.

[muckmaw]

There's video of Arabs beheading an American Prisoner today..

I wish they would have just stripped him naked and put a dog collar on him.

But your above all this, right Furious?

[StabbyTheIcePic]

Originally posted by muckmaw
There's video of Arabs beheading an American Prisoner today..

I wish they would have just stripped him naked and put a dog collar on him.

But your above all this, right Furious?

I am, stooping to their lvl, or even close to it does not make us any better then the people that crashed the planes into the towers. How are supposed to claim moral high ground and win over the average iraqi with those aholes in the prisons.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
I am, stooping to their lvl, or even close to it does not make us any better then the people that crashed the planes into the towers. How are supposed to claim moral high ground and win over the average iraqi with those aholes in the prisons.

You say this as it is a matter of policy.  IT IS NOT.

Islamic fundamentalism: seeks to destroy America and kill Americans.  No ifs ands or buts about it.  Woman children men soldiers doesnt matter to them.

US ARMY:  Has distinct policy in place that prohibits this type of activity.  Those rules were broken and those that commited crimes will be brought to justice.

That's the difference between us and them.  That's what makes us better than them.

[StabbyTheIcePic]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
You say this as it is a matter of policy.  IT IS NOT.

Islamic fundamentalism: seeks to destroy America and kill Americans.  No ifs ands or buts about it.  Woman children men soldiers doesnt matter to them.

US ARMY:  Has distinct policy in place that prohibits this type of activity.  Those rules were broken and those that commited crimes will be brought to justice.

That's the difference between us and them.  That's what makes us better than them.

What i ment by stooping to their lvl is a reply to muckmaw wanting to do a little torture himself.

[gofaster]

Originally posted by ravells
People are much more reactive to images than they are to words in situations like these.

That's because people either can't read or don't have the time to read.  People trust their eyes first and their brains second.  If they see it, it must be true.  Kinda like that picture of the shark under the Golden Gate Bridge that's jumping out of the water to attack a helicopter crewman - "I can see it right there in the picture!"

And of course, the Iraqi prison photos of a 20-something year old woman with a butch haircut leading a naked man around by a leash immediately conjured up images of all sorts of sexual perversions.  The media was able to play up to the repressed sexual fantasies of its audience.  

This sort of reminds me of the humorous scene in "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" where Eli Wallach's character is about to be hanged and the sheriff is reading off the list of crimes he committed.  When the sheriff gets to "sexual relations with a white woman" Eli snarls at an older lady in the crowd, who reels back and clutches a handkerchief to her face "Oh!".  hehehehe.

[Furious]

Originally posted by muckmaw
There's video of Arabs beheading an American Prisoner today..

I wish they would have just stripped him naked and put a dog collar on him.

But your above all this, right Furious?

Read what you write, dolt.

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Originally posted by muckmaw
So because there were 2 proven murders of Iraqi Prisoners, out of the thousands in captivity, the others who were stripped and hazed were victums of torture?

Forgive me if I do not subscribe to this logic.
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You use no logic.  You twist to suit.  Had those in the pictures been americans, you for sure would call it torture.  


Don't presume to know my feelings on these issues just because I feel the need to call you on your bull****.

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by gofaster
That's because people either can't read or don't have the time to read.  People trust their eyes first and their brains second.  If they see it, it must be true.  Kinda like that picture of the shark under the Golden Gate Bridge that's jumping out of the water to attack a helicopter crewman - "I can see it right there in the picture!"

And of course, the Iraqi prison photos of a 20-something year old woman with a butch haircut leading a naked man around by a leash immediately conjured up images of all sorts of sexual perversions.  The media was able to play up to the repressed sexual fantasies of its audience.  

This sort of reminds me of the humorous scene in "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" where Eli Wallach's character is about to be hanged and the sheriff is reading off the list of crimes he committed.  When the sheriff gets to "sexual relations with a white woman" Eli snarls at an older lady in the crowd, who reels back and clutches a handkerchief to her face "Oh!".  hehehehe.

Excellent observation, GF

[Sandman]

It's just so hard to believe. The Catholic Church has brought so much good to the world and has never done anything to harm anyone.

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Furious
Read what you write, dolt.

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Originally posted by muckmaw
So because there were 2 proven murders of Iraqi Prisoners, out of the thousands in captivity, the others who were stripped and hazed were victums of torture?

Forgive me if I do not subscribe to this logic.
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You use no logic.  You twist to suit.  Had those in the pictures been americans, you for sure would call it torture.  


Don't presume to know my feelings on these issues just because I feel the need to call you on your bull****.

Apparently, you feel the need to call names as well as what you deem BS.

Funny, Furious. I always thought you were better than everyone else on this board. Well, at least you seem to think that is the case anyway.

*Shrugs*

Read what I posted again. Why is one group's treatment torture and the other termed abuse? At the very least, both groups were treated equally harsh. At most, the raping of children rates as more abusive than spapshots of men in compromising situations.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by muckmaw
So because there were 2 proven murders of Iraqi Prisoners, out of the thousands in captivity, the others who were stripped and hazed were victums of torture?

If you keep saying "hazed" enough maybe it will make it true.  

[AKCasca]

well one thing we won't be saying about them is "decapitated"

[Furious]

Originally posted by muckmaw
...whining...

...Read what I posted again. Why is one group's treatment torture and the other termed abuse? At the very least, both groups were treated equally harsh. At most, the raping of children rates as more abusive than spapshots of men in compromising situations.

You have indicated that what occured in the Iraqi prisons is not torture.  You called it hazing.  Yet you complain others are not using the proper terminology in comparison to a situation of your choosing.  Do you not see the hypocrisy in this?

...and I KNOW that you would define the same treatment of an american prisoner in Iraq as torture.  You know it as well.  This makes your arguement even less convincing.

[ravells]

Originally posted by gofaster
That's because people either can't read or don't have the time to read.  People trust their eyes first and their brains second.  If they see it, it must be true.  Kinda like that picture of the shark under the Golden Gate Bridge that's jumping out of the water to attack a helicopter crewman - "I can see it right there in the picture!"

 

Go faster is getting what I'm saying. Remember how this was the iconic picture of vietnam?

This is going to be the iconic picture of Iraq


Wars are as much about truth as perception. When was the last time we saw pictures of troops building schools or water plants?  People remember strong images. We need pictures like these:



which I think are just as iconic. Just need to get them published more.

Ravs