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« on: May 11, 2004, 11:12:15 AM »
Well, in the current enviornment of media Hyperbole, why is this case called "Abuse" but the Iraqi Prisoners were "Tortured"? Seems to me, these innocent children were alleged treated much worse than almost all the Iraqi cases I've read about.

God, I hate the media!

Suit Claims Abuse by Nuns at Mass. School

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By MARTIN FINUCANE, Associated Press Writer

BOSTON - Nine former students of the Boston School for the Deaf filed a lawsuit Tuesday alleging they were raped and beaten by nuns at the now-defunct school.

   

The plaintiffs accused at least 13 nuns in the lawsuit, along with a priest and a male athletic instructor at the school and a former top official in the Boston Roman Catholic Archdiocese, according to their attorney, Mitchell Garabedian.


The alleged victims, three women and six men, were between the ages of 7 and 16 when, they claim, they were sexually and physically abused between 1944 and 1977. The Boston School for the Deaf, in Randolph, was run by an independent, nonprofit corporation until it closed more than a decade ago.


"They are all speech-impaired and hearing-impaired," said Garabedian, who represents a total of 31 former students at the school and expects to file more lawsuits. "Instead of receiving an education they received beatings and sexually abusive actions."


Garabedian said the abuse included fondling, rape, and rape with foreign objects. At least one student's head was submerged, face-first in a toilet until she passed out; others were locked in closets for hours as a form of punishment. The alleged victims are now 41 to 67 years old.


"The physical abuse is extremely disturbing," said Garabedian, who has represented hundreds of people who filed lawsuits alleging sexual abuse by priests.


The nuns named in the lawsuit are from the Congregation of the Sisters of St. Joseph of Boston. The case is the first to allege widespread abuse by nuns in the Boston area since the clergy sex abuse scandal began in Boston in early 2002.


The 100-page complaint filed in Suffolk Superior Court cited 13 nuns by name and said other plaintiffs, including at least one other nun, were unidentified. Some of the plaintiffs were accused of participating in the abuse; others, like Bishop Thomas V. Daily, who held several top posts in the Boston Archdiocese, were named for alleged negligence in failing to supervise the others.


William Shaevel, an attorney for the school, said he had not yet seen the lawsuit or received details of the allegations.


"We've asked for but have not received any of the specifics, so we have not been able to conduct our own investigation," he said. "Our guiding principle here will be to conduct our investigation and deal with this with sensitivity, respect and dignity."


The Rev. Christopher Coyne, spokesman for the Boston Archdiocese, did not immediately return a message seeking comment.


Boston was the epicenter of the clergy sex abuse scandal in the Catholic Church. Cardinal Bernard Law resigned in December 2002 amid criticism of his handling of the crisis, and the archdiocese reached an $85 million settlement last year with more than 550 people who said they were abused by priests.

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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2004, 11:18:13 AM »
Well rape is expected from the catholic church, not the US military.

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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2004, 11:20:35 AM »
If you had pictures of the abuse to those children whilst it was happening then I can guarantee you that the nuns and others responsible would be having a much hotter time of it.

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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2004, 11:27:05 AM »
So this is what it comes down to?

If there's video and a sound byte, its a much more serious offense, worthy of the term "Torture"?

If it's just some children making an accusation, then it's only abuse?

Sad, really.

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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2004, 11:29:31 AM »
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So this is what it comes down to?

If there's video and a sound byte, its a much more serious offense, worthy of the term "Torture"?

If it's just some children making an accusation, then it's only abuse?

Sad, really.


Well so far it is only an accusation, and it has only been on the wire for a day with no real proof comming out. So the news says, well do we follow congressional hearings with alot of nifty pictures or do we follow a story that just hit the wire with little to no proof as of yet?  The media is just giving the american people what they want to see.

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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2004, 11:31:36 AM »
Stabby, I'm not questioning the coverage..

I'm questioning the wording used by news outlets.

If the allegations are true, why were the kids only "Abused" when the Iraqi's were "Tortured"?

Seems to me, if true, the kids treatment was the same if not worse in most cases.

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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2004, 11:36:17 AM »
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Stabby, I'm not questioning the coverage..

I'm questioning the wording used by news outlets.

If the allegations are true, why were the kids only "Abused" when the Iraqi's were "Tortured"?

Seems to me, if true, the kids treatment was the same if not worse in most cases.


Were kids beaten to death?

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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2004, 11:39:02 AM »
Were the Iraqi's?

Oh, wait, yes there were 2 Homicides out of how many prisoners?

And out of how many Coalition/Iraqi Interactions over the past year?

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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2004, 11:40:40 AM »
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Were the Iraqi's?

Oh, wait, yes there were 2 Homicides out of how many prisoners?

And out of how many Coalition/Iraqi Interactions over the past year?


And 10 under investigation. Well you wanted to know why some media outlets(almost none say torture anymore) said POW's were tortured. I gave you a reason, do not go and have a hissy fit.

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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2004, 11:42:10 AM »
Sadly, this torture was within the doctrine of the church, which considered disabillity a symptom of faithlessness.
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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2004, 11:47:53 AM »
I was talking about the public's reaction.

I think it would be true to say that if those prisoner pictures had never been published, this PR disaster would never have occured.

In the same way, if pictures had been published of these children during the act of abuse which showed the aggressor and the abuser in the same shot - Yes, I think there would be lynch mobs after those nuns and others.

People are much more reactive to images than they are to words in situations like these.

I agree, it is sad. You should go over to the Amnesty International site and read about the untold horrors that ordinary people suffer daily - and be horrified.

Ravs.

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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2004, 11:53:29 AM »
So because there were 2 proven murders of Iraqi Prisoners, out of the thousands in captivity, the others who were stripped and hazed were victums of torture?

Forgive me if I do not subscribe to this logic.

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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2004, 11:54:28 AM »
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I was talking about the public's reaction.

I think it would be true to say that if those prisoner pictures had never been published, this PR disaster would never have occured.

In the same way, if pictures had been published of these children during the act of abuse which showed the aggressor and the abuser in the same shot - Yes, I think there would be lynch mobs after those nuns and others.

People are much more reactive to images than they are to words in situations like these.

I agree, it is sad. You should go over to the Amnesty International site and read about the untold horrors that ordinary people suffer daily - and be horrified.

Ravs.


That's alright, I'm depressed enough just walking into work.

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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2004, 11:55:34 AM »
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So because there were 2 proven murders of Iraqi Prisoners, out of the thousands in captivity, the others who were stripped and hazed were victums of torture?

Forgive me if I do not subscribe to this logic.


They were more then hazed. It was torture. Being abused while in captivity. Sorry that is torture.

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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2004, 12:10:00 PM »
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They were more then hazed. It was torture. Being abused while in captivity. Sorry that is torture.


Main Entry: 1tor·ture
Pronunciation: 'tor-ch&r
Function: noun
1 a : anguish of body or mind : AGONY b : something that causes agony or pain
2 : the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure
3 : distortion or overrefinement of a meaning or an argument

Main Entry: 1abuse
Pronunciation: &-'byüs
Function: noun
1 : a corrupt practice or custom
2 : improper or excessive use or treatment : MISUSE
3 obsolete : a deceitful act : DECEPTION
4 : language that condemns or vilifies usually unjustly, intemperately, and angrily
5 : physical maltreatment



I could not possibly disagree more, but I've no interest in continuing this exchange.
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