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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #210 on: May 13, 2004, 12:17:08 AM »
What's up man?
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« Reply #211 on: May 13, 2004, 12:17:58 AM »
cool. :cool:

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« Reply #212 on: May 13, 2004, 12:20:51 AM »
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You may not like it, but the war on Iraq means the terrorists that are in the area are fighting armed soldiers, for the most part, instead of our civilians here or abroad.   We've no doubt killed thousands of people who would kill us, merely because we are American.


That's entirely possible. It's also probable that we've killed thousands of people that had no ill will towards this country in the process. Those people had families. You can have little doubt that the surviving members are going to be angry about it.

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Sandman, I know you find it disturbing that we don't wait on our own soil and let them blow us all up. You must prefer this as you have never offered a solution to our problem other than to be critical of our efforts.
 I'm thankful that you are not in power, it means the U.S. has a chance to survive.


First, we'll have to agree that Iraq was even a problem. Not going to get there. They were effectively contained and have been so for nearly a decade.

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You can spout that Al Queda and Iraq had  nothing in common but anyone that isn't too busy hating our President knows that there was an Al Queda base in Northern Iraq and a jet fuselage for hijack training near Baghdad.  


Hussein did not control the Kurdish north... this just in.

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Try to cast aside your unfounded hate and see this for what it is, it's the opening moves in a fight for survival, w/ radical islam on one side and the West(viewed as Christian) on the other.


Hate? Have I ever said anything even remotely hateful of anyone?

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If we lose, if we pull back, the entirety of the U.S. will be a happy hunting ground for terrorists, eventually.


I remember this one. It used to sound an awful lot like, "The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!"

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Maybe you are unaware that terrorists have been killing Americans for years and we didn't do anything about it.  Example:  U.S.S Cole, our embassies, the first WTC.


Likewise, we have been doing the same. It's easy to categorize this as simply an Islam/Christian thing. Unfortunately, it seems that what really have is this never ending cycle of vengeance. It's working so well in Israel, we should give it a go in Iraq.

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We are finally fighting back. I know you don't want us to go after those that would kill us, you'd rather we stuck our collective head in the sand and just express impotent horror every time the blew up an American or 3000.


The "War on Terror" can't be won by squandering manpower and resources in Iraq. It might be good for Israel for us to be there, but there's little for us to gain.

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 Yes, I am thankful people like you are not in power.  
Clinton ignored the problem for 8 years.  He was really popular here and abroad... that mattered to him above all else.
The cost  of his ego massaging policies is that we are way behind in this war of survival.  Like I said it's the ealry stages of the war, but I hope you one day learn that this is indeed that, a war of survival, and I hope you learn it before it is upon your doorstep.


Hmmm... Iraq was contained... North and South Korea were talking about unification. You're right, we are so much better off today...

If history is any indicator, I'll be dead before we distangle from this mess.
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« Reply #213 on: May 13, 2004, 12:40:55 AM »
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The "War on Terror" can't be won by squandering manpower and resources in Iraq. It might be good for Israel for us to be there, but there's little for us to gain.



Here is a classic lib retort.  You puke this up... yet offer no real solution.  LOL
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« Reply #214 on: May 13, 2004, 12:47:15 AM »
xcuse me but that's a classic neocon retort.

You make a huge gawdamn mess and then blame the libs when NOBODY now knows what the hell to do to fix it.

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« Reply #215 on: May 13, 2004, 12:50:09 AM »
See Nash, that's the difference between a reasoning person like me and a blind liberal whacko like you.  

I see the stuff going on in Iraq as a war we are winning, all you see is a gawdamn mess.

Futhermore  I... must concentrate... I think that.... look away from avatar... you libs are..... bouncing hoots... oh my... uhhhhhhh.
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« Reply #216 on: May 13, 2004, 12:50:24 AM »
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xcuse me but that's a classic neocon retort.

You make a huge gawdamn mess and then blame the libs when NOBODY now knows what the hell to do to fix it.


Those that oppose the current US administration would like for it to be a huge mess that no one knows how to "fix". I won't be so fast to make that judgement. I think things will begin to settle down in Iraq beginning in July, unfortunately for the neo-libs.
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« Reply #217 on: May 13, 2004, 12:52:45 AM »
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I think things will begin to settle down in Iraq beginning in July, unfortunately for the neo-libs.


All politics aside, I hope you're right... but I doubt it.
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« Reply #218 on: May 13, 2004, 12:57:18 AM »
Yeah, I don't think what's happening in Iraq is a huge mess. I mean, it's a war and that's messy in itself, but overall what we are doing in Iraq is a good thing for the Iraqis and for our security.

We are holding back to much over there in my opinion.

In the end I feel that Iraq will be in good hands and free, just like Germany and Japan. We are not leaving until Iraq is secure, no way.

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« Reply #219 on: May 13, 2004, 12:58:30 AM »
Well, I'm willing to give ya the benefit of the doubt.

Consider this...

Has there been a single thing to date that's given you any reason for such faith?

What have you been right about thus far, and upon what do you base your confidence?

You only hope you're right.

And it is a gawdamned mess.

And yeah, unfortunately, time will tell.

and you will still blame the libs, somehow.

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« Reply #220 on: May 13, 2004, 01:04:39 AM »
are you asking me or Steve, Nash?

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« Reply #221 on: May 13, 2004, 01:05:45 AM »
Take 100k dead Iraqi's.
Now they aint worth one single American death IMHO.

DO we belong there?
I have no freeken idea.
But we are there right or wrong.

Now what Is the right thing to do?
Haul arse and leave em hangin?
Kill alot of them and hope we get the bad guy's?

Or just kill the muslim big mouth trouble makers?

When we turn over control on 6-30-04
I am afraid that the monkeys will be running the zoo.

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« Reply #222 on: May 13, 2004, 01:07:39 AM »
I blame the libs for 8 years of dereliction under Clinton. I will blame Bush if he buckles under pressure from that same bunch that gave the Islamic extremists the confidence that we are a weak and divided country that can be destroyed by their attacks.
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« Reply #223 on: May 13, 2004, 01:08:01 AM »
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Nah doesn't sound like a mess to me....

Mostly Steve et al, Nuke.

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« Reply #224 on: May 13, 2004, 01:11:12 AM »
Come awn Iron if Bill was the architect of the current gong show you guys would be going bat sh! t.