Author Topic: Apostacy in Islam (Read 382 times)

ravells · « **on:** May 14, 2004, 07:04:55 AM »

Here is an interesting thought.

Apostacy in Islam, i.e., 'the public declaration of rejecting the fundamentals of Islam' is tantamount to treason and is treated very seriously indeed. I understand that the punishment prescribed by the shari'a for apostacy is death.

Now, if a person were to carry out acts which were so fundamentally against the grain of Islamic tenets (such as sawing off a man's head whilst chanting 'God is Great') is there an argument that this person has has so publicly rejected the fundamentals of Islam, that he should be put to death by his own community as an apostate?

You could argue that by carrying out the act, this person has renounced Islam.

I don't know if this argument flies in the corridors of mosques amongst the learned there, but if it does, it would be a very good way to use Islam to prevent such deeds from happening again. All it would take are some respected religious leaders to make this view publicly known.

Ravs

ra · « **Reply #1 on:** May 14, 2004, 07:39:11 AM »

When it comes to killing infidels, Muslims aren't too quick to judge one another.

Kweassa · « **Reply #2 on:** May 14, 2004, 07:59:45 AM »

If we can accept them as "Muslims" in the first place.

Mahomet would have died from shock if he ever knew such crimes were being done in his name in face of Allah.

Curval · « **Reply #3 on:** May 14, 2004, 08:30:49 AM »

Interesting point Ravs...but I think it is the various mullahs and other religious nutcases that need to answer your question.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when the question is posed though...I imagine there would be lots of "umms" and "ahhhs" followed by the sound of pages of the Koran being turned rapidly.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #4 on:** May 14, 2004, 08:31:39 AM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
If we can accept them as "Muslims" in the first place.

Mahomet would have died from shock if he ever knew such crimes were being done in his name in face of Allah.

Or he would have at least givin up on "camel love" in protest

Toad · « **Reply #5 on:** May 14, 2004, 09:05:00 AM »

I think there'd a long, unending silence from the leading ayatollahs..

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 14, 2004, 10:26:25 AM »

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Originally posted by ra
When it comes to killing infidels, Muslims aren't too quick to judge one another.

[rant mode on]
Isin't there a document somewhere that suggests that it's really really bad to kill if you're a christian?

Maybe there's an asterik at the end of that line, that denotes "only if you're really angry at someone / Muslims / US senators/ liberals /conservatives/ blacks / whites/gays / jews/ women/men/Jeff Gordon / Ford drivers / canadians/ Yankee fans/....more yankee fans...

I don't believe my lord and savior is all too pleased with our behavior, either...

[rant mode off]

ra · « **Reply #7 on:** May 14, 2004, 10:43:47 AM »

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I don't believe my lord and savior is all too pleased with our behavior, either...

Maybe not. But our religious leaders don't condon taking sex slaves or shooting pregnant women in the stomach.

ravells · « **Reply #8 on:** May 14, 2004, 10:50:47 AM »

You sure about that first bit ra?

Ravs

Fishu · « **Reply #9 on:** May 14, 2004, 10:57:22 AM »

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Originally posted by ra
Maybe not. But our religious leaders don't condon taking sex slaves or shooting pregnant women in the stomach.

But seems to condone taking prisoners, humiliation and torture of them and in worse case killing them.
Not to forget the pedophile priests.

Not too many generations ago we were still burning "witches" and conducting rather violent crusades.
You can also consider Islam today being at least couple hundred years behind western christianity.

ra · « **Reply #10 on:** May 14, 2004, 10:57:45 AM »

Gimme a break. Was this guy giving sermons promoting the taking of sex slaves? This moral-equivalence-at-all-costs is getting tiresome.

ra · « **Reply #11 on:** May 14, 2004, 10:58:35 AM »

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Originally posted by Fishu
But seems to condone taking prisoners, humiliation and torture of them and in worse case killing them.
Not to forget the pedophile priests.

Which non-Muslim religious leader condons this?

ravells · « **Reply #12 on:** May 14, 2004, 11:07:12 AM »

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Originally posted by ra
Gimme a break. Was this guy giving sermons promoting the taking of sex slaves? This moral-equivalence-at-all-costs is getting tiresome.

No...he was just doing it himself. Although I take your point that it was not something he preached for others to do.

Having said that I think that Islamic Imams who preach that the taking of sex slaves and shooting pregnant women is 'good', are seen as crazy extremists amongst mainstream practicioners Islam.
Ravs

Monk · « **Reply #13 on:** May 14, 2004, 11:15:43 AM »

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Originally posted by Fishu
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You can also consider Islam today being at least couple hundred years behind western christianity.

Thats something I always thought.

Sixpence · « **Reply #14 on:** May 14, 2004, 11:18:35 AM »

There are no islamic religious extremists going to Iraq, this is simply rediculous.