Author Topic: Courteous Political Discussion (Read 2112 times)

Nash · « **Reply #105 on:** May 16, 2004, 12:56:46 AM »

Nah it wasn't cheap. Just a bit feeble. No biggie. I don't think a day goes by where I don't say something, the entire room goes dead silent, turns white, and I'm forced to cough just to break the silence and then I beat a hasty retreat.

Nash · « **Reply #106 on:** May 16, 2004, 01:04:44 AM »

Ooh just saw your edit of an earlier post:

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
>edit: actually I started the thread just because I wanted to post a statement in which each sentance alternately insulted and then appealed for civility.

I know... and I kind of feel like a shmuck for not playing along. I shoulda, and I apologize for that.

NUKE · « **Reply #107 on:** May 16, 2004, 01:05:33 AM »

I believe every human is idealistic. What's so special about being idealistic?

Clinton was "idealistic" .....his ideal situation was to ensure that he was seen to be a great president.

Churchil was also "idealistic" ..... he was concerned about the threats against freedom.

Bush put himself on the line for what he believed was the right thing to do in Iraq, following 9/11. He went into Iraq at great risk to his carreer......... I doubt he thought about his political future when he decided to go into Iraq.

Bush is more like Churchil than Clinton was.

Nash · « **Reply #108 on:** May 16, 2004, 01:09:54 AM »

That's just the thing.

What killed Bush was his consistent inflexibility of approach, of method, in fulfilling his ideolological aims.

NUKE · « **Reply #109 on:** May 16, 2004, 01:16:58 AM »

Bush is not dead....I think he will win over Kerry very easily.

Kerry himself ha said he would not pull out of Iraq and he also voted to allow Bush to go into Iraq. If Kerry wins, he says he will stay the course in Iraq. It's all the same, but Kerry is a liar and Bush is just doing what his convictions lead him to do, regardless of his poilitical life.

Just my opinion of course;)

Nash · « **Reply #110 on:** May 16, 2004, 01:21:18 AM »

Well yeah, but your opinion matters.

I just can't bring myself to believe that such an opinion can possibly be borne out of a real exploration of the facts.

Maybe it can... I just don't see it. It fascinates me more than bothers me. It's all good.

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #111 on:** May 16, 2004, 01:23:17 AM »

Has any sitting US President won an election with a popularity rating less than 50% less than 6 months from the election date and what has the lowest popularity rating of any sitting President who has still gone on to win an election been?

I read that both Clinton and Reagan has ratings in the mid 50% level when they went on to win a 2nd term, Bush snr however had a rating in the mid 40's and lost.

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #112 on:** May 16, 2004, 01:25:09 AM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
Bush is not dead....I think he will win over Kerry very easily.

Kerry himself ha said he would not pull out of Iraq and he also voted to allow Bush to go into Iraq. If Kerry wins, he says he will stay the course in Iraq. It's all the same, but Kerry is a liar and Bush is just doing what his convictions lead him to do, regardless of his poilitical life.

Just my opinion of course;)

Of course it's interesting that approx 50% of the US population probably feel that Bush is the liar and Kerry is doing what his convictions lead him to do!! Nov is going to be quite a month this year!!

Nash · « **Reply #113 on:** May 16, 2004, 01:29:50 AM »

Add into the equation the ratings bonanza a "war time" Prez usually gets and... well....

The Republicans have no choice but to make the race about how bad Kerry is. From a marketing POV, with a hundred million worth of advertising, a lot of it is gonna stick. Note "flip-flop's" sudden emergence in the popular lexicon.

But, too bad so sad this election is a referendum on Bush's performance. No two ways about it. Kerry just needs to show up.

NUKE · « **Reply #114 on:** May 16, 2004, 01:33:15 AM »

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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Of course it's interesting that approx 50% of the US population probably feel that Bush is the liar and Kerry is doing what his convictions lead him to do!! Nov is going to be quite a month this year!!

Can you point out the source for this informantion?

By the way, I really have not participated in any politcal threads that I can remember.....pro Bush or not.

I find it amusing that people outside (not you Nash) the US could presume to assume they are in touch with our way of life.

NUKE · « **Reply #115 on:** May 16, 2004, 01:34:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Add into the equation the ratings bonanza a "war time" Prez usually gets and... well....

The Republicans have no choice but to make the race about how bad Kerry is. From a marketing POV, with a hundred million worth of advertising, a lot of it is gonna stick. Note "flip-flop's" sudden emergence in the popular lexicon.

But, too bad so sad this election is a referendum on Bush's performance. No two ways about it. Kerry just needs to show up.

When Bush went into Iraq, it was ALL risk to him, no way can anyone say otherwise.

Nash · « **Reply #116 on:** May 16, 2004, 01:37:02 AM »

Just to point out... (and speaking lazily)...The US has been waging an imperialistic-type war of the cultural variety for ages. Ya can't fault some people for actually starting to undertand US culture.

Nash · « **Reply #117 on:** May 16, 2004, 01:39:00 AM »

Absolutely it was "ALL" risk to him.

I agree.

So why is everyone so quick to say "But GEE! HE voted for it TOO didn't he?!"

NUKE · « **Reply #118 on:** May 16, 2004, 01:42:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Just to point out... (and speaking lazily)...The US has been waging an imperialistic-type war of the cultural variety for ages. Ya can't fault some people for actually starting to undertand US culture.

Nash, the US is probably the dominant cultural influence on the world...but it's not because we force it on anyone. I know we are resented by many, and frankly I would resent it if my culture was being overshadowed by another culture. It's kind of like rap music......it suks, but it is popular and makes real music seem less viable to the masses.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #119 on:** May 16, 2004, 01:43:30 AM »

I assume your 'HE' is Kerry.

they are quick to say that because if one wishes to oppose a policy, it is not a good foundation to have voted for it.