Author Topic: Buffs dont need external views (Read 986 times)

Grits · « **on:** May 15, 2004, 12:09:37 AM »

Title says it all. As long as they have lazer guns and 3 slaved planes worth of guns they dont need external views.

PropNut · « **Reply #1 on:** May 15, 2004, 01:16:03 AM »

Well I tried it tonight in a flock of Lancs. I had at one time 6 fighters on me and only able to check with one gun at a time without spending all your time jumping around. In short it sucks!! it causes your SA to lag about a second which is just enough to make you easy prey ....add short con ranges and 262s zooming up from under your Lanc at 600+ and your "dead meat". As for the laser guns has Hitech ever addressed this? Is it in fact true? Or is it just dead men whining ? Is the Gun scatter tighter than say a P51 or P47 50cal? Also your a sitting duck in a goon. you cant even tell if a friend or foe is the engine sound on your 6 no chance of avoiding a diving fast fighter while in your goon. I guess we need Otto gunning in the buffs to even make it half way realistic. Im sure if I flew fighters 90% of the time I would love the new view setup ... Im just curious who originated this idea anyway? ..... I'll give ya odds that no buff pilots came up with this fantastic idea! its lame and its wrong.

TrueKill · « **Reply #2 on:** May 15, 2004, 02:24:03 AM »

i agree with propnut i was in a AR234 today and 1 of my squadies had to tell me there was a p38 on my 6 (like i could so anything about it) so i lokked back and paged up so i could see the top of what said P38 so i start sprayin those 20mms in every possable direction then a tiff came and joined the massicure to make a long story short all three of my 234s got shot down with not one enemy plane limping back to base. eather take the ar234 out of the setup or turn the views on so we can TRY to defend ourselfs.

B17Skull12 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 15, 2004, 02:28:38 AM »

i hate to say it but the 234 to survive needs f3 view mode.

TrueKill · « **Reply #4 on:** May 15, 2004, 02:32:55 AM »

yea thats what i say at least give us the f3 mode

Oleg · « **Reply #5 on:** May 15, 2004, 02:40:01 AM »

Hey, Grits!
How often "you" fly in buffs and how many kills you score to decide what "they" need and what dont?

Lets me check... Ok, here is it.

CT TOD 23(Jan 04) 24(Feb) 25(March) 26(Apr) 27(May)
sorties 17 54 30 42 15
killed 11 41 16 24 11
landed 5 11 12 13 3
kills 4 7 3 4 0

Hm... Dont looks you are very successful, right?

What about "laserguns"... Its just whine and no more. 12mm are powerfull here but they all quite same.

btw, if you dont like or cannt to attack buffs nobody force you to do that.

Löwe · « **Reply #6 on:** May 15, 2004, 08:20:46 AM »

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Originally posted by PropNut
I'll give ya odds that no buff pilots came up with this fantastic idea! its lame and its wrong.

Yeah it's just as lame as the out of aircraft god view, and one guy being able to fire the guns on three aircraft at once.

Grits · « **Reply #7 on:** May 15, 2004, 09:52:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Oleg
Hey, Grits!
How often "you" fly in buffs and how many kills you score to decide what "they" need and what dont?
Lets me check... Ok, here is it.
Hm... Dont looks you are very successful, right?

Words of wisdom from a decktrolling buff-tard.

Using my buff stats in this argument is like buying a hooker and then claiming women cant resist you.

Ask someone the last time they saw me decktrolling in a buff. I furball Val's and Stukas after tards like you kill the FH at a base. Given the circumstances I usually fly buffs, the fact that I dont die EVERY buff sortie I fly proves my infinite superiority to you.

Your worse than a decktrolling buff-tard, your a LAGGY decktrolling buff-tard.

Oh yeah, I stand by my statement, as long as buffs have 3 planes worth of slaved guns they dont need external views.

storch · « **Reply #8 on:** May 15, 2004, 11:26:41 AM »

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Originally posted by Grits
Words of wisdom from a decktrolling buff-tard.

Using my buff stats in this argument is like buying a hooker and then claiming women cant resist you.

ROFLMFAO. I wonder what would that be spelled like in cyrillic?

Storch strolls into the O'Club and is alarmed, grits has just finished his phaggity drink and hurled his glass at the unsuspecting Oleg who is busy tallying up his decktroll kills. The glass is in mid air. Storch grabs a handful of peanuts from the bar.

Oleg · « **Reply #9 on:** May 15, 2004, 11:57:03 AM »

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Originally posted by Grits
Words of wisdom from a decktrolling buff-tard.

lol
You almost never fly in level bombers and pretend to judge what they need to have? Lame way.

Slash27 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 16, 2004, 11:34:18 PM »

Get a better connection.

Eagle327 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 17, 2004, 12:26:41 AM »

You're way off the mark, Grits.

I find external views extremely useful as an early warning system, since we don't get bandit reports from all the gunner positions.

There's an alternate to F3 also:

In B17s and B26s press the 2 key then the F3 key, then zoom all the way out.
You can bend your joystick and look up, down and all around without disturbing your heading or climb settings.

If a dot "bogy" becomes a "bandit" slew your aircraft between your eyeballs and the Bandit, jump to the proper gunner position and he's automatically lined up in your gunner sights.

What you have done here, in affect, is gone outside via a gunner position.

This is very useful when under threat from 262s and 163s or any multiple threats.

Good luck,
Eagle, Group XO
327th Steel Talons

storch · « **Reply #12 on:** May 17, 2004, 06:32:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagle327
In B17s and B26s press the 2 key then the F3 key, then zoom all the way out.
You can bend your joystick and look up, down and all around without disturbing your heading or climb settings.

If a dot "bogy" becomes a "bandit" slew your aircraft between your eyeballs and the Bandit, jump to the proper gunner position and he's automatically lined up in your gunner sights.

Could there be a better case for permanent removal of the external view?

Eagle327 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 17, 2004, 10:48:04 AM »

Not really, Storch......

I feel the external Buff views partially make up for no Bandit reports from all the gunner positions, as we would have if all gunner positions were manned, as in real life and as had in AWIII.

This thread is beginning to sound like "sour grapes" from fighter pilots pissed at being killed when attacking Buffs.

We must acknowledge that the Buffs fly in AH at a profound disadvantage because we cannot load up all gunner positions to yield a "Death Star" as in AWIII.

Eagle

keyapaha · « **Reply #14 on:** May 17, 2004, 11:01:23 AM »

No need to have an external view

I flew thousands of bomber sorties with out it just run a gun position check ever so often you'll be fine.To me the hardest part was finding your group once a gun battle broke out.

The problem with the Ar234 is we have no telescopic rear sight for the cannons, therefore it should not even be in service till this is rectified.

But really all you have to check is your 6 hardly no one attacks from anywhere different.

Author Topic: Buffs dont need external views (Read 986 times)

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