Red states are welfare queens?

[strk]

http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxingspending.html

Apparently a lot of the red states receive more money from the federal government then they pay, and the blue states are getting less than they pay.

What do you know - the blue liberal states support the welfare of the red conservative states.  Where is the personal responsibility??  Im sure the GOP should put a stop to this right away.

[Yeager]

if it sounds TO GOOD TO BE TRUE........it probably is.

[Holden McGroin]

0.6% of New York is federally owned.

0.24% of Connecticuit is federally owned.

2.2% of Pennsylvania is federally owned.

77% of Nevada is federally owned.

48.5% of Wyoming is federally owned.

63% of Utah, 34% of New Mexico, 36% of Colorado,....

might have something to do with it.  That and I would guess that building a Interstate highway from Butte Mont to Cheyenne Wyoming may cost more than from Worchester to Hartford.

[Nefarious]

Other big winners were Alaska ($1.91), Mississippi ($1.89), and West Virginia ($1.82)

This 65¢ increase beats out North Dakota, where federal spending increased 53¢ per dollar of tax, North Dakota (43¢ more spending per dollar), and West Virginia (38¢ more spending per dollar).

What do you know - the blue liberal states support the welfare of the red conservative states. Where is the personal responsibility?? Im sure the GOP should put a stop to this right away

West Virginia is an odd state.

Jefferson County, the most Eastern County in West Virginia is the most wealthiest county in West Virginia I believe, And it's not suprising. Less than an hour away from D.C and Baltimore, has become the home of tens of thousands of commuters just because of the low taxes compared to MD, VA, and PA.

I moved away from Shepherdstown WV in 1999 (Which is in Jefferson County) I've visited plenty of times since I'ved moved, and every time I see a new devlopment, "Homes in the 190's!"
the signs say.

Where I live now is a different story. Less than 2 hrs from Pittsbugh PA. Harrison County in Central WV is a Third World Country in some places. No Fancy Developments, Lots of poverty. It's like a different world. A lot of seniors and Veterans too and I can see why WV get's so much Aid and the reason why they are paying less.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by strk
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxingspending.html

Apparently a lot of the red states receive more money from the federal government then they pay, and the blue states are getting less than they pay.

What do you know - the blue liberal states support the welfare of the red conservative states.  Where is the personal responsibility??  Im sure the GOP should put a stop to this right away.

strk, can you point out one thing in that link that says the fed money is going for welfare? It's talking about Federal dollars going back to the states and is compairing the state's taxes paid to that. It has nothing to do with welfare. The government spends on military, disasters, highways, etc.....

Also, the article does not take into account the vast difference in income/cost of living between some states. Someone working in NYC is going to make 10 times as much as someone at the same job in New Mexico, plus there are 10 times more people in NY ( not literally) so they will pay a larger dollar amount in taxes, but federal money being returned to those states is just a flat figure. So if NM  paid 1 million in taxes, and recieved 2 million in fed funding, and NY paid 100 million in taxes, yet recieved 90 million in funding, you can see how it the ratio could be a distortion. ..... and that's just a hypothetyical example. In this example, NY would be getting 90 million  in federal funds, while NM got only 2 million, yet the ratio for NM is used to distort the figures.

But eiher way, there was no breakdown in that link for welfare figures.

[strk]

Originally posted by NUKE
strk, can you point out one thing in that link that says the fed money is going for welfare? It's talking about Federal dollars going back to the states and is compairing the state's taxes paid to that. It has nothing to do with welfare. The government spends on military, disasters, highways, etc.....

Also, the article does not take into account the vast difference in income/cost of living between some states. Someone working in NYC is going to make 10 times as much as someone at the same job in New Mexico, plus there are 10 times more people in NY ( not literally) so they will pay a larger dollar amount in taxes, but federal money being returned to those states is just a flat figure. So if NM  paid 1 million in taxes, and recieved 2 million in fed funding, and NY paid 100 million in taxes, yet recieved 90 million in funding, you can see how it the ratio could be a distortion. ..... and that's just a hypothetyical example. In this example, NY would be getting 90 million  in federal funds, while NM got only 2 million, yet the ratio for NM is used to distort the figures.

But eiher way, there was no breakdown in that link for welfare figures.

re welfare - no I just used the term to show that the red states are hogs at the trough of federal money.  I think that welfare is mostly state funded

regarding the rest of your argument - it does not refute the fact that tax money flows from the blue states to the red (generally)

[Toad]

So, Strk, the guy that likes to talk about other people's fallacies deliberately misuses the word "welfare" in the title for a quick slam at the oppostition?

My opinion of you changes every day.

Why don't you talk about "welfare" as in antipoverty programs and tell us where the Federal money goes.

Thanks! I appreciate your unbiased attempts to bring us the truth.

[capt. apathy]

didn't seem misleading to me at all.  he used the term welfare as in 'a gov't handout',  cash taken away from others in the form of taxes and handed out to others who didn't work for it.  (or at least thats how I read it, correct me if I'm wrong strk)

now if he'd said these states "received more money in welfare payments",  or that they "were a bigger drain on the welfare system"  that kinda thing would be misleading.

but many here have labeled unemployment insurance payments, or any plan for a national health care plan as 'welfare' and nobody really jumped up to correct them on the fact that these aren't welfare in the literal sense of the word.

[Toad]

"Welfare queens"?

C'mon, Apathy.

[capt. apathy]

welfare queen is a woman who takes money money from the gov't (that she didn't earn) as a way of life,  not a temporary stop gap measure but an ongoing plan to keep going that way.

seems to fit.

[Toad]

Oh, yes, that's is indeed the usual "fitting" context for "welfare queen".

Reread Holden's snippet. Think that might explain it? After all building a federal highway through a big Western state is just like a "welfare queen" taking.. uh, doing... uh.. receiving.. uh....


help me out here... what's it like again?

[capt. apathy]

right.  and that explains why oregon and california (who each have about the same if not more hwy miles,  and much more if you count miles x #of lanes) are recieving less than they are collecting, while N & S dakota and montana recieve more.  then there's HI,  they didn't have many miles of interstate at all last time I was there (maybe 60 miles all totaled).

ya hwy expenditures are higher out here where things are a bit farther apart, but that doesn't explain all of it.

[strk]

Originally posted by Toad
So, Strk, the guy that likes to talk about other people's fallacies deliberately misuses the word "welfare" in the title for a quick slam at the oppostition?

My opinion of you changes every day.

Why don't you talk about "welfare" as in antipoverty programs and tell us where the Federal money goes.

Thanks! I appreciate your unbiased attempts to bring us the truth.

lol your bait stinks

[strk]

Originally posted by capt. apathy
didn't seem misleading to me at all.  he used the term welfare as in 'a gov't handout',  cash taken away from others in the form of taxes and handed out to others who didn't work for it.  (or at least thats how I read it, correct me if I'm wrong strk)

now if he'd said these states "received more money in welfare payments",  or that they "were a bigger drain on the welfare system"  that kinda thing would be misleading.

but many here have labeled unemployment insurance payments, or any plan for a national health care plan as 'welfare' and nobody really jumped up to correct them on the fact that these aren't welfare in the literal sense of the word.

well put

[StabbyTheIcePic]

Originally posted by capt. apathy
right.  and that explains why oregon and california (who each have about the same if not more hwy miles,  and much more if you count miles x #of lanes) are recieving less than they are collecting, while N & S dakota and montana recieve more.  then there's HI,  they didn't have many miles of interstate at all last time I was there (maybe 60 miles all totaled).

ya hwy expenditures are higher out here where things are a bit farther apart, but that doesn't explain all of it.

Farmer and cattle welfare queens. Most of the funds that are funneled to the blue states goes to them, then they whine about their tax dollars going to inner city welfare moms.