For Toad...

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Staga
Well I'm expecting to hear pope asking muslims to forgive christians because of those tortured and dead prisoners.

Well some bishop or even cantor will do. Maybe AKIron or Toad could post a link ?

Tortured and dead prisoners? You have a link?

BTW, like Islam, Christianity has no singular earthly leader, contrary to Westy's ignorant statement.

[Saintaw]

The links above works fine, here is what it says:

12 May 2004

Muslims condemn reprehensible Nick Berg killing

       The Muslim Council of Britain expresses its disgust and condemnation of the indefensible murder in Iraq of the US civilian Nick Berg who was shown being beheaded on yet another allegedly 'Islamic' website video released yesterday.

"This is not just a heinous act, it is also utterly repugnant to the Islamic rules of war. The appalling abuses that are known to have occurred at the Abu Ghurayb prison in Baghdad cannot be used as a justification for this killing," said Iqbal Sacranie, Secretary-General of the Muslim Council of Britain.

The US-led 'coalition' is facing mounting condemnation from all across the world for the disastrous and increasingly chaotic aftermath of launching its ill-conceived war against Iraq. The killing of hostages like Mr Berg can only aid those warmongers who believe that the Iraqis need 'civilising'.

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[Toad]

Well, Straffo, how long do you think it would take the Pope to condemn US soldiers beheading an Iraqi civilian with a long knife while shouting "In Jesus' Name!" if such a video were released?

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Toad
Of course, in the area where the fighting and killing is actually taking place, the place where we need a little leadership and guidance for the masses, there's been what from the leading Ayatollahs and Mullah?

You mean like the ones on the Iraqi Governing Council?


GC condemns Berg murder

(Al-Mashriq) - The Governing Council yesterday condemned the killing of the American hostage Nicolas Berg by unknown people. GC Rotating Chairman Ezzul Deen Saleem said, "the Council severely condemns killing the American hostage". He said mutilation is forbidden by Islam and by all heavenly religions.
(Al-Mashriq is published daily by Al-Mashriq Institution for Media and Cultural Investments.)

http://www.iwpr.net/archive/ipm/ipm_076.html

[storch]

Originally posted by Dowding
Perhaps your google searches missed this. In fact, I'm not sure it was reported on any major news carriers (not even Fox News).

http://www.mcb.org.uk/presstext.php?ann_id=88

"The Muslim Council of Britain (http://www.mcb.org.uk) is the UK's representative Muslim umbrella body with over 400 affiliated national, regional and local organisations, MOSQUES, charities and schools."

And I would hardly call them sympathetic to the US/UK in Iraq either, given previous press releases. Of course, this will probably not meet your requirements on this issue; Yasser Arafat has yet to criticise the murderers and OBL is disresepectfully silent on the issue.

Thank you for posting that,  I will re-examine my values on this issue.  Please don't hesitate to post further releases of that nature.

I would argue that Muslim groups from the UK and US are of paramount importance.  They will have influence with their fellow Muslims that you or I will never have.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Toad
Well, Straffo, how long do you think it would take the Pope to condemn US soldiers beheading an Iraqi civilian with a long knife while shouting "In Jesus' Name!" if such a video were released?

Now it's about how long it took?  

[Toad]

Let's see, are you putting the Iraqi Governing Council forward as a the government widely recognized in Iraq? Are you saying the "muslim in the street" would view the IGC as a non-biased source?

Or would the "muslim in the street" consider the IGC as merely one facet of the American occupation forces?

What do you think there? Think the IGC fits as an "Islamic government"?

[Toad]

Not at all. That's a reply to Straffo about the Pope speaking out against this sort of thing. Would anyone expect to hear from the Pope in that instance? I certainly would.

What have you seen from the major Islamic religious leaders again? The ones that can have a direct effect on the killings that are going on there? Say al-Sistani, whose "flock" are dying daily in the crossfire between these murderers and the US troops?