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Offline Dowding

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« on: May 18, 2004, 05:27:05 AM »
Perhaps your google searches missed this. In fact, I'm not sure it was reported on any major news carriers (not even Fox News).

http://www.mcb.org.uk/presstext.php?ann_id=88

"The Muslim Council of Britain (http://www.mcb.org.uk) is the UK's representative Muslim umbrella body with over 400 affiliated national, regional and local organisations, MOSQUES, charities and schools."

And I would hardly call them sympathetic to the US/UK in Iraq either, given previous press releases. Of course, this will probably not meet your requirements on this issue; Yasser Arafat has yet to criticise the murderers and OBL is disresepectfully silent on the issue.
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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2004, 05:29:01 AM »
I have a feeling the source is going to be contested... let's see ;)
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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2004, 10:30:49 AM »
" Of course, this will probably not meet your requirements on this issue..."

Course not.  They are subject to change without notice.   ;)

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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2004, 11:03:44 AM »
Please post a link (working) to an Aljazeera article resolutely condemning the brutal murder of Berg.
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2004, 11:07:13 AM »
Presto chango! Moving target again. First it's "absolute silence, then "deafening silence" and now it's "give me a specific article from a specific source."   It's that "8th Immam on the 33rd step of the 2nd minerat of the sunni mosque located on the central plains of Iran" baloney.

Go to Google and do your own search. Select CACHED from the results if the page you try to click on doesn't work. I found the report was on Al Jazeera in less than 10 seconds and it was the sixth link down amongst the results.

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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2004, 11:11:08 AM »
Very good. :D

I suspect they are looking for a statement that looks something like this:

"I absolutely and without moderation accept full responsibility for Berg's death, and admit that it happened because of an intrinsic flaw in the theology of Islam."

- Big Chief Mullah of Islam, speaking on behalf of all Muslims everywhere
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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2004, 11:11:50 AM »
Let's see, a week later we have Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the UAE on record as condemning it.

A week later we have the Muslim Council of Britain, the Sacramento Valley Council on American Islamic Relations (not a Muslim religious leader, just a group) and a few other similar "religious leader" comments.

Of course, in the area where the fighting and killing is actually taking place, the place where we need a little leadership and guidance for the masses, there's been what from the leading Ayatollahs and Mullah? Can anyone give me links to condemnations of this act by the religious leaders in Iraq, Iran, Syria or Saudia Arabia?

Governmentally, does anyone have links to condemnations of this act by Syria or Iran? You know, the two countries implicated as routes for arms and infiltrating fighters into Iraq?

No, I didn't think you could.  

I have yet to see a condemnation of this murder by Kuwait. Did I miss that one?

Now you can say that those standards are just too high. Fine; you and I both know you're BS'ing yourself. The condemnation of this act has come from either "friendly" Islamic governments or from religious leaders that tend flocks far away and highly unlikely to be involved in the fighting.

Pretty significant to me.

And then of course, there is a lot of this sentiment floating around. Probably FAR more of this attitude than condemnation.

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But a columnist for the Cairo newspaper Al-Arabi, Mr Nour Al-Huda Zaki, summed up the 'eye for an eye' sentiment among some in the Arab world.

'What happened to Berg, I believe, will make the American people wake up and realise that it is an end result of the raping of the Iraqis in the prison.

'In normal circumstances, I could condemn the slaughtering of the American, but we are living in abnormal circumstances.

'I cannot condemn it now,' he wrote.


And, obviously, this attitude pervades the religious and governmental leadership near the actual fighting.

But go ahead and ignore that.
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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2004, 11:11:51 AM »
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Originally posted by Westy
Go to Google and do your own search. Select CACHE from the results if the page you try to clikc on doesn't work. I found the report was on Al Jazeera in less than 10 seconds and it was the sixth link down amongst the results.

  Are you helpless?


I asked for a link. The one(s) posted previously were dead and Al Jazeera was down for several days. Maybe to avoid reporting on the animalistic killing by members of Islam? If you can't post one then how about keeping it to yourself?
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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2004, 11:13:47 AM »
"If you can't post one then how about keeping it to yourself?"

  I can. but I won't   And you can remain "inorgrant" to the truth because you're too ensconced with the narrow, party line or just too lazy to find out what it is on your own.
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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2004, 11:14:42 AM »
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"If you can't post one then how about keeping it to yourself?"

  I can.   And you can remain "inorgrant" to the truth.


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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2004, 11:17:48 AM »
"the silence is still deafening"  

heh!  With your "condition" I can see why.



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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2004, 11:20:23 AM »
Is it really that hard for you Islam apologists to find one article from an Al Jazeera contributor absolutely condemning the brutal murder of American civilian? The only argument I will accept is a link.
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« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2004, 11:25:04 AM »
Toad, you shifted the goal posts before and you do so again. Like I said before, you'll be wanting Sadr (local Iraqi religious type), OBL (fanatical US-hater) and Arafat (US-hater and leader of Israel's untermenschen) apologising before you are happy... i.e. never.

You act all indignant and surprised when faced with that fact. Let me quote you:

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"However, I don't see ANY of the "Islam is a religion of peace" Mullahs or Clerics speaking out against this. I see no Fatwah condemning these killers. In fact, there is only silence from the peaceful religion of Islam and all its followers. Well, except for the followers of Islam that are openly rejoicing in this murder of a civilian, of course.

Can you help me with a link to the negative commentary about these rag-tag bunch of outlaws, extremists and terrorists from the fine, upstanding, peaceful representatives of Islam?"


We've done that in spades. You're starting to appear desperate to back up your own prejudice.
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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2004, 11:25:38 AM »
"Islamist apologist. "

Sorry AKIron.  All this time I thought you were posting to me when it's plain that you meant someone else.

" The only argument I will accept is a link."

 Not to speak for these "Islamist apologists" you say you're talking to but I'd be willing to be they wouldn't care what you will or will not accept at this point.

 But good luck against that windmill anyway!

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« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2004, 11:29:16 AM »
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"Islamist apologist. "

Sorry AKIron.  All this time I thought you were posting to me when it's plain that you meant someone else.

" The only argument I will accept is a link."

 Not to speak for these "Islamist apologists" you say you're talking to but I'd be willing to be they wouldn't care what you will or will not accept at this point.

 But good luck against that windmill anyway!


Westy, let me be plain. I think you are lying about finding an Al Jazeera article in which the editors or regular contributors condemn without qualification the brutal murder of Berg. A simple link will prove me wrong.
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