Author Topic: Frame Rate Suggestions (Read 1551 times)

BenDover · « **Reply #15 on:** May 19, 2004, 06:03:40 AM »

Check your refresh rates

nopoop · « **Reply #16 on:** May 19, 2004, 09:11:37 AM »

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Originally posted by zmeg
Check your AF & AA settings

What or those zmeg ? Or should I say what do the initials stand for ??

Annntriotropiccc filtering ??? or something spelled as bad ??

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #17 on:** May 19, 2004, 09:13:42 AM »

Only 1024x768, nopoop? You would scream at 1600x1200 with that setup. You should think about checking out higher resolutions unless you're using a really small monitor.

-- Todd/Leviathn

flakbait · « **Reply #18 on:** May 19, 2004, 10:00:31 AM »

V-sync has to be enabled for a reason. That reason being people have reported rubber bullets, graphical strangeness, visual tearing, and a few other "interesting" glitches. Search the Hardware board for more info. If you want a better framerate either upgrade your rig or move the sliders down a touch. Messing with V-sync is a bad way to get a better FR.

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Blammo · « **Reply #19 on:** May 19, 2004, 10:35:48 AM »

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Originally posted by flakbait
V-sync has to be enabled for a reason. That reason being people have reported rubber bullets, graphical strangeness, visual tearing, and a few other "interesting" glitches. Search the Hardware board for more info. If you want a better framerate either upgrade your rig or move the sliders down a touch. Messing with V-sync is a bad way to get a better FR.

OK, another kneejerk reaction:

Is the horse not dead enough for you? Do we need to beat on it a bit more?

By the way, just like vsync in enabled for a reason, you have the ability to disable it for a reason.

Anyway, tally-ho!

MOSQ · « **Reply #20 on:** May 19, 2004, 10:51:52 AM »

It cracks me up to see people sweating over whether their FPS is 65 or 85 or 105!

Can you really tell any difference either visually or in game performance?

Personally I have my old rig set to 45 FPS max. It looks great at 45 FPS. Over 45 FPS I can't see any difference at all. When I get low near a field it drops to the 30's and still looks great.

If I set my top two sliders all the way left, my fps drops into the teens and the graphics go to hell too. But moving them over to where the are just under the L in Detail gives me great looking graphics and the 45 FPS.

When I started in AW4Win, then AW3D, we were exstatic to hit 25 FPS! Everyone raved how the original Voodoo add on 3d card could boost AW3D from 12 FPS to 20. We were in Hog Heaven!

I really don't see the point in pulling your hair out over your rig "only" hitting 85 FPS, when your monitor is refreshing at 75! From what I've read the human eye can't perceive a difference over 60 anyway. My old eyes can't perceive a difference over 35.

Powerleap Celeron add on upgrade CPU 1.4 on a P-3 600 mobo (440BX)
Asylum Gforce FX-5200 Ultra 128
Win 98
CH analog J,P,T
SB Live Value
384 RAM

Thanks for the tip on AF not having any affect on AHI or II, I'll see if it makes any difference. Maybe I will be able to kick my sliders a tiny bit further left.

A quick question for the experts, does limiting my FPS to 45 mean my CPU and Video card will run cooler because they aren't straining to hit max FPS constantly, or do they strain anyway and I'm just limiting the display to 45? Unless someone can convince me there is a good reason to go faster than 45 FPS such as my bullets are flying past Levi's Spit V and not hitting on the in between frames, I'll leave it there. (Hmm, maybe that's the reason I've never shot down DMF/Leviathn!)

I'm very happy with AHII FPS now. Let's launch this puppy!

Blammo · « **Reply #21 on:** May 19, 2004, 11:14:33 AM »

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Originally posted by MOSQ
It cracks me up to see people sweating over whether their FPS is 65 or 85 or 105!

OK, ok, ok...for those that have problems with critical thinking and reading comprehension, let me restate the issue:

I am not concerned with my framrate being higher than 75. It is was a steady 30, that would be fine with me. What I am concerned with is the DROP to below 20 I was/am/might experience based on the testing I did. FPS of 75, 85, 105, 305, are sweet, but I agree, no really needed. I am only concerning with a sagging frame rate when it comes to setting full details (aside from ground level detail) on a system that should be able to handle it.

Upgrade my system? Yeah, right...when I see fairly consistent issues on all graphically intensive games/applications I use, I will upgrade. When only one piece of software demonstrates a problem, I start looking for ways to tweak out things for that piece of software.

Something screwy on my system? Maybe, but no one has suggested a way to determine that and assertion are like opinion...and opinions are like, well...you figure it out.

So far, nopoop has been the most helpful. So, if you are interesting in helping, great. Because it is not just me having problem, there are others. And I believe HTC is working on it. Just looking for ways to get from where I am to were I want to be...and help others on the way. Is that to hard to comprehend? If you aren't looking to be helpful, go post in the O Club.

Anyway, off my rant now. Please, just leave this thread for people that would like to provide suggestions or ask questions/post issues. That is what I intended it for.

MOSQ · « **Reply #22 on:** May 19, 2004, 12:15:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Blammo
OK, ok, ok...for those that have problems with critical thinking and reading comprehension, let me restate the issue:

Blammo,
You may have misunderstood my comment. It wasn't directed at you, but the gamer community in general. I apologize if you took it as an attack on you.

I agree that with the system you have, 20 FPS at full detail seems low and hope you can tweak it up.

I can't help but laugh at folks who aren't satisfied with 50 FPS and go out and spend $1200 on a new CPU/mobo and Vid card to get their FPS up to 80. Then they complain about the $14.95 a month.

If they didn't know they were at 50 FPS and others were getting 80 FPS, they would never buy the hot stuff. It's amazing how the industry marketing folks can create a demand for new gear by pointing out your old gear only gets 50 FPS, you better buy new stuff to get 80 FPS!

BenDover · « **Reply #23 on:** May 19, 2004, 01:29:41 PM »

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From what I've read the human eye can't perceive a difference over 60 anyway

BS TBH

I get head aches after a few hours at 60hz, at 70 I can pretty much double that, at 75 I get almost zero signs of head aches or eye fatigue, above that I don't get any head aches.

MOSQ · « **Reply #24 on:** May 19, 2004, 01:53:37 PM »

BenDover,

I was talking about FPS, not the refresh rate of your monitor. I can't stand to have my refresh rate less than 75 either. Major eye fatigue and headaches, plus I hate the flickering.

However that has no correlation to your FPS. Over 60 FPS and you can't tell any difference.

BenDover · « **Reply #25 on:** May 19, 2004, 01:56:53 PM »

Oh, thought you ment 60hz not 60fps

RedTop · « **Reply #26 on:** May 19, 2004, 05:05:32 PM »

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Originally posted by nopoop
Red to a search for "end it all". It's a program that shows all of the programs running on you box. You have the option of closing all that aren't necessary for you to play the game.

All my programs, scanning, printer, Nikon upload, adobe gamma, blah blah are terminated with the program. If you make a mistake and close something that "needs" to be running ?? A reboot puts it back in. You pick and choose through experimentation what HAS to be running and nothing more. That way your lean and mean.

If you can't find a free shareware, email me and I'll send you the freeware setup.

( they realized there was a buck to be made )

nopoops190@sbcglobal.net

Thanks Bud...I'll do it when I get home from work. Appreciate the help.

guttboy · « **Reply #27 on:** May 22, 2004, 02:52:16 PM »

I keep seeing everyone's posts and I just have a question....how come I cant get FR's above 20's when I move the sliders for more detail...hell I am concerned about seeing ack and strats at a base and am having a helluva time doing so....

Please take a look at my stats in the Sig block...Any suggestions?

PS anyone have any suggestions for a $1200 rig that will make my puter that much better? Willing to rip the ATI9800xt and put it in that machine if it drops the price by 4-500 bucks!

nopoop · « **Reply #28 on:** May 22, 2004, 03:25:54 PM »

See what improvement you get dropping to 1024x768. No nothing about ATI cards.

I'm running a 200 dollar nvidia card in my box and run a minimum of 50fps with everything maxed. But I run at 1024.

And have dual channel 800 FBS Hyperthreading

See what you get at 1024. Dropping a 3.0 chip in your rig is a couple of hundred bucks, and one more stick of ram maybe ??

or..

Epox INTEL865 EP-4PDA2+ $104
800 FBS Hypertheading
INTEL P4/3.0GHz CPU
boxed w/fan $228
2 x 512MB PC 3200 Ram $218
Antec Truepower 430watt power supply $67
Antec Plusview 1000AMG case $69

Total of $668 reusing floppys, CD's sound card etc.

The definate plus in the second option is that it won't say DELL

It will say guttboy

flyingaround · « **Reply #29 on:** May 22, 2004, 04:13:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Blammo
OK, ok, ok...for those that have problems with critical thinking and reading comprehension, let me restate the issue:

Anyway, off my rant now. Please, just leave this thread for people that would like to provide suggestions or ask questions/post issues. That is what I intended it for.

Actually...I had several suggestions. But you've come across pretty much as a jerk, so the heck w/ you. Your the type that people try to help, and you respond w/ insults.

HINT use the AH BBS SEARCH button. Nothing your asking about hasn't already been explained in great detail. I guess your just not smart enough (or to lazy) to search through the threads (or the internet) for your answers, and act like a real bellybutton to those taking time to help you out. (Way to insult HT. WOW! That in and of itself was just pure Rocket Scientist. Genius. It's not like he CREATED This game or anything, and MIGHT know what he's talking about.)

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