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« on: May 18, 2004, 12:26:54 PM »
It took five separate screenings to accommodate the press demand to see Michael Moore's heavily anticipated anti-Bush documentary Fahrenheit 9/11 at the Cannes Film Festival yesterday, and when it came to turning up the political heat here, neither the movie nor its maker failed to disappoint.

The audience at a afternoon gala screening responded with a 20-minute standing ovation. Festival artistic director Thierry Fremaux told the New York Times it was the longest he had ever witnessed in Cannes.

A scorching indictment of the current U.S. administration's military engagement in Iraq that colours the entire enterprise as being rooted in the Bush family's business relations with Saudi oil money and members of Osama Bin Laden's family ? and featuring some harrowing footage shot by freelance camera crews of prisoner abuse, bombed Iraqi civilians and dead-of-night military raids on Iraqi homes ? Fahrenheit 9/11 is a considerably more sober, impassioned and focused film than Moore's previous record-breaking box office documentary success Bowling For Columbine. It also features, for better or worse, considerably less Michael Moore on screen.

Following a narrative line that traces President George W. Bush's military record, business ventures, political history and pre- and post-9/11 presidency, the film meticulously lays out a deeply sinister and cynical conspiracy that ends up with powerfully graphic ? and many previously unseen ? images of dead and mutilated bodies on both sides of the current conflict.

The implication is as clear as it is unsubtle: Moore is laying the deaths of thousands of Iraqis and coalition forces right on the front steps of the White House, and purely for the purposes of economic gain.

While inescapably a partisan and flatly polemical work, Fahrenheit 9/11 makes its case meticulously and convincingly, and uses all of the pop cultural rhetorical methods that have made the director not only the most popular documentary maker of his generation, but one of the most prominent American figures lashing out against the Bush administration: He knows how to talk in the language of TV.

At one point in the film Bush is seen in the primary school classroom where he first learned of the planes being flown into the World Trade Center towers, and Moore slows the footage down so that Bush is seen to be blinking uncomprehendingly and endlessly, a child's storybook open ridiculously before him, as a counter in the corner of the screen counts out the nine minutes before the President seemed to react.

"What was he thinking?" Moore's voiceover asks. Later, he surmises what the President might have been thinking over an image of Saddam Hussein: "I think I'd better blame this guy."

Elsewhere, the plane carrying certain Bush-connected members of the Bin Laden family out of the United States on the morning of the attacks takes to the air with the Animals' "We Gotta Get Out of This Place" roars on the soundtrack.

In possibly the most emotionally powerful moment of the film, a mother who lost her son in the war goes to the White House and to be confronted by another woman who insists that all the anti-war activity going on there is just "staged."

"My son is dead," she says, tears and fury rising in her eyes. "That wasn't staged."

Certain to be divisive and controversial, and already the subject of considerable discussion concerning its troubled distribution history first with Mel Gibson's Icon Pictures (which Moore alleges dropped the film because of high-level and possibly even administration interference) and more recently the Walt Disney Company, Fahrenheit 9/11 seems expressly designed to mobilize viewers to get out and vote against George W. Bush this November.

First it needs to find distributor, however. Currently without one, Moore is nevertheless completely confident that someone will pick up the film and get it out a widely and immediately as he'd like.

He's undoubtedly right ? if as much for economic as political reasons. If Columbine was any indication, this movie could make a pile.

Yet, while Moore's insistence that "this film will open in the United States before the election" and in "shopping malls and multiplexes" instead of art houses ? he has also said he'd like to see it available on DVD by October ? he played curiously coy in the post-screening press conference when asked directly if he hoped the movie might serve to hinder President Bush's chances of re-election in November. "I just make movies I'd like to see on a Friday night," he shrugged.

It was perhaps the only question that suggested such a neutrally entertaining agenda. On every other matter, from Bush's relationship with Tony Blair ("What's Blair doing with this guy?" he asked of British journalists), to what he'd like viewers to get from the film ("I want them to be in shock and in awe") to the current climate of mainstream media silence on Iraq ("Americans do not like things being kept from them"), Moore seemed to stress both the urgency and immediacy of the movie's mission. But he wouldn't agree that the movie has been designed to vote Bush out.

Describing a relationship with the Miramax production company that allowed him to add any additional material he needed between now the release to keep the film up to date, he said he remained undecided as to whether he'd change the film to accommodate either current or future developments from Washington or Iraq. "I might, but this is a complete work."

On the issue of his own relative absence in the film ? in which he appears on screen perhaps one-fifth of the time he was on in Bowling For Columbine ? save for voiceover and general editorial point of view, Moore said, "This time I was the straight man. Bush wrote all the best lines."

"The subject just didn't need the help," he added. "Besides, a little of me tends to go along way. And sometimes less is better."

When no one stood to take issue with Moore on this point, he was asked if he planned on screening Fahrenheit 9/11 at the White House.

It was his turn to laugh. "I would love to have a White House screening," he deadpanned.

"I would attend it. And I would behave."

Seems unlikely. God knows, if there's any place where a little Michael Moore will go a long way, especially after this movie opens this summer across America, it will be in the White House.

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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2004, 01:21:17 PM »
hmm, but what's up with your email?

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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2004, 08:25:54 PM »
One thing I have to wonder about with this movie. Who was asleap at the wheel? Was it President Busch? or was it the people in charge of giving him information?

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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2004, 09:49:54 AM »
Moore is a shamless self promoter a hypocrite and a liar.... Just one example below...

Then there are what we might call artistic lies. Bowling for Columbine opens in a branch of the North Country Bank, with Moore supposedly receiving a free gun in exchange for opening an account. At the end of the scene, he asks a bank employee, “Do you think it’s a little dangerous handing out guns in a bank?” before he runs out with the gun in his hand to the beat of a punk rock tune. It is a dazzling opening, full of energy and Dr. Strangelove absurdity. The only problem: it was staged. Commentators have been on Moore’s case about this, some even campaigning to revoke his Oscar, awarded for a genre supposed to be nonfiction. Anthony Zoubeck, a self-described “former Moore fan” who writes for the Illinois State University paper, the Daily Vidette, contacted Helen Steinman, the customer-service representative seen greeting Moore in the bank. “You can’t just come in here and get a gun,” Steinman explained. Moore “was only supposed to be coming in and pretending to open up a CD. What the girl who opened up the account really told him was that there would be a background check and that he wouldn’t get the gun for six weeks.”

There are slanted, insinuating lies. In another example from Bowling, Moore places a Lockheed Martin executive from Littleton, Colorado, right in front of a mammoth, menacing-looking rocket and asks: “So you don’t think our kids say to themselves, ‘Gee, you know, Dad goes off to the factory every day and, you know, he builds missiles. These are weapons of mass destruction.’ ” He also observes darkly that the company moves its products through the community late at night, when “the children of Columbine are asleep.” But Lockheed Martin does not make weapons in Littleton; it makes weather and communications satellites there. The missile in the film is a refurbished Titan 2 rocket used to launch one such satellite. Moreover, as Zoubeck learned from a Lockheed spokesman, the company moves the rockets at night because they are so large they need a convoy—not, as Moore insinuates, because anyone is trying to hide the awful truth about weather satellites.

And there are the lies of exaggeration—details that after marinating in Moore’s brain swell into squishy conspiracy tales, like one of those dried sponges that swell prodigiously in water. Take what happened during a March 2002 book-tour appearance for Stupid White Men, his 2001 screed against the Bush administration, corrupt corporate power, and (as one chapter title puts it) this “idiot nation.” At 11 PM, Moore was still signing books for a line of fans at a San Diego school, when event organizers announced that the janitors wanted to close up and go home, since the use permit was up. Moore paid little attention and went on signing books, until someone—apparently the janitors—called the police about half an hour later. At this point, according to Kynn Bartlett, a disappointed fan who wrote about the event on his website, two cops walked in with flashlights—Bartlett points out that it was dark in the parking lot outside—and calmly announced: “May I have your attention. The use permit for this event expired at eleven. You have to leave now.” After some grumbling, everyone did.

End of story—until Moore breathlessly posted his version on his website the next day. POLICE RAID, SHUT DOWN MY BOOK SIGNING IN SAN DIEGO. “I am told that we are getting close to the time when we will have to leave the school,” Moore’s fiction begins. “That is not good. Hundreds are still in line.” (Bartlett estimates there were 75.) Moore continues: “The San Diego police [all two of them, Bartlett says] are coming down the aisle, their large flashlights out (the auditorium lights are still on, so we all understand the implied ‘other’ use of the instruments).” People are “visibly frightened,” “bolt[ing]” toward the doors. “I remark that it feels like we’re in some sort of banana republic or East Berlin, secretly meeting so we can have our little book gathering. Sign quick, Mike, here come the police.” There’s not a word about janitors forced to work overtime to please celebrity authors.  

(Source http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_3_michael_moore.html )


I wonder what interesting little twists and lies he has flooded Farenheit 9/11 with
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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2004, 11:14:18 AM »
Hey it sounds like it will be full of action footage from the war like you guys love!!

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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2004, 11:20:26 AM »
Mr. Lumenick didnt think too highly of Moore new flick.  He gave the last one four stars.  



NEW '9/11' FLICK HAS FAR 'MOORE' FIZZLE THAN SIZZLE

By LOU LUMENICK
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Post film critic Lou Lumenick says filmmaker Michael Moore falls short of the earth-shattering revelations he promised in his documentary.
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May 18, 2004 -- CANNES, France - President Bush need not lose any sleep over Michael Moore's much-hyped "Fahrenheit 9/11," which turns out to be a wet firecracker.
Moore's virulent feature-length attack on Bush, which premiered yesterday to a 20-minute standing ovation at the Cannes Film Festival, falls far short of delivering on the filmmaker's extravagant promises of election-swinging revelations.

"You will see things you haven't seen before and learn things you have not learned before," he vowed on Sunday.

Well, maybe if you spent the last three years hiding in a cave in Afghanistan.

Sure, there's some media-grabbing footage - apparently shot by one of the camera crews Moore claims to have smuggled in with embedded troops - of American soldiers laughing as they place hoods over Iraqi prisoners, and one GI touching a detainee's genitals through a blanket.

But that footage actually conflicts with one of Moore's main arguments - that GIs have been victimized by being forced to participate in what he considers to be the unnecessary and immoral invasion of Iraq.

Moore's big stop-the-presses revelation is that the name of an old pal of the president who works for the bin Laden family was excised from 1972 National Guard records released by the White House in 2002. Yawn.



Mostly Moore dusts off a litany of old accusations against the president - whom he portrays as both a buffoon and a world-class conspirator - and lands few solid blows as he takes on targets like the Patriot Act and supposed war profiteering by the politically connected Halliburton Corp.

The sheer scope of the material he's trying to cover in a two-hour documentary - the Sept. 11 attacks rate maybe five minutes - leads to incredibly superficial and misleading treatment at times.

As a critic who awarded Moore's Oscar-winning "Bowling for Columbine" four stars, I was particularly disappointed with "Fahrenheit 9/11."

In "Columbine," Moore had something new to say about the gun-control debate and did so in a refreshingly entertaining manner.

"9/11" does not lend itself to such a glib approach, and while Moore may get laughs by presenting Bush and his staff in a brief "Bonanza" spoof titled "Afghanistan," the humor often seems much more forced here.

By far the best sequence features Lila Lipscomb, a woman from Moore's hometown of Flint, Mich., who lost her Marine son in Vietnam.

But when she tries to go to the White House to express her antiwar feelings, Moore ends up delivering a pallid echo of the high point of "Columbine," where victims of that high school massacre descend on Kmart headquarters to demand that the chain stop selling ammunition.

Far from the political hot potato Moore has been tub-thumping to secure a rich U.S. distribution deal and the July opening he lusts after - after Miramax was forced to sell it at the insistence of its corporate parent, Disney - "Fahrenheit 9/11" is more like a lot of hot air.

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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2004, 11:24:41 AM »
Moore, really went out on a limb releasing an anti-American move to and anti-American crowd in an anti-American country.

OO so edgy, He’s so cool.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2004, 11:26:52 AM »
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Moore, really went out on a limb releasing an anti-American move to and anti-American crowd in an anti-American country.

OO so edgy, He’s so cool.:rolleyes:
 Where else do you debut to films for the summer? Huntsville, Alabama?

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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2004, 11:34:22 AM »
Well, in a movie theater of course.

Cannes is kinda like the special olympics, Stabby.  In reality its filled with bad films made my semi-retarded directors that couldnt go anywhere in the US, only everyone pretends its important and 'artsy' so they feel as though they have a purpose.

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« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2004, 11:36:02 AM »
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Well, in a movie theater of course.

Cannes is kinda like the special olympics, Stabby.  In reality its filled with bad films made my semi-retarded directors that couldnt go anywhere in the US, only everyone pretends its important and 'artsy' so they feel as though they have a purpose.


Every big movie for the summer is released in Canne. Not just art films. They go there because they know every reviewer in the world will be there.

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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2004, 11:39:49 AM »
Of course, of course... but Im sure we'll both agree the ratio fo 'real' movies to 'Moore' movies is rather... slanted.  :aok

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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2004, 11:41:07 AM »
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Every big movie for the summer is released in Canne. Not just art films. They go there because they know every reviewer in the world will be there.


not in the states, good movies are release in the thearters,

Titanc, passion, Lord of the rings, Perfect storm, never released at Cannes.
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« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2004, 11:42:54 AM »
Like I said Moore is a shameless self promoter

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« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2004, 11:55:53 AM »
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not in the states, good movies are release in the thearters,

Titanc, passion, Lord of the rings, Perfect storm, never released at Cannes.


We're suppose to speak of film not of the result of  marketing computation.

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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2004, 11:58:03 AM »
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not in the states, good movies are release in the thearters,

Titanc, passion, Lord of the rings, Perfect storm, never released at Cannes.





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the summer is released in Canne


Check the release dates for those films.