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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2004, 12:00:20 PM »
be very careful of any video documentary work that Moore creates.  The likelihood that you will be tooled is very high.
His work is propaganda at its pinnacle finest.

Just make sure your head is screwed on tight and your BS filters are on high power settings.

Also, that 20 minute grand ovation took place in France so keep that little tidbit of CNN entertainment blurb in perspective.
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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2004, 12:22:59 PM »
In all honesty I liked "bowling for columbine"  It was a well put together documentary even if it was slanted as anti gun.  He gets by that slant by toting around his liftime NRA membership card.  

I saw another one he did about downsizing that I cant remember the name of.  I thought it was good but didnt deliver at all.  The funniest part was when he had is book tour director arrested for harrasment (prank)  

As far as fahrenheit 9/11  If this is mostly about bush why is 9/11 even in the title?  That's my biggest question.  I will see the movie however but refuse to read his books.  (i have too much reading in my book que.
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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2004, 12:33:43 PM »
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In all honesty I liked "bowling for columbine"  It was a well put together documentary even if it was slanted as anti gun.  He gets by that slant by toting around his liftime NRA membership card.  

I saw another one he did about downsizing that I cant remember the name of.  I thought it was good but didnt deliver at all.  The funniest part was when he had is book tour director arrested for harrasment (prank)  

As far as fahrenheit 9/11  If this is mostly about bush why is 9/11 even in the title?  That's my biggest question.  I will see the movie however but refuse to read his books.  (i have too much reading in my book que.


Columbine did have some exaggerated parts to it, but it also had alot of very real facts. I am glad he is going to be on screen far less in this film though. I still think his first film is his best film to date.
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« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2004, 12:46:08 PM »
I just saw "bowling for columbine" for the first time a couple weeks ago and while exagerated in parts thought it was very good. Interesting the difference in gun crime figures between US and Canada. Of course the pro gun guys would never accepet the less guns equals less gun related shootings and deaths.

Interesting argument.


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« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2004, 12:48:45 PM »
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I just saw "bowling for columbine" for the first time a couple weeks ago and while exagerated in parts thought it was very good. Interesting the difference in gun crime figures between US and Canada. Of course the pro gun guys would never accepet the less guns equals less gun related shootings and deaths.

Interesting argument.


...-Gixer


I really think neither of them have an affect as greatly as either side believes. Canada has a very large percentage of gun ownership, and very low crime. Other countrys that have no guns have also low crime. The state of a country's economy has more to do with low crime, as well as its culture then anything else.
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« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2004, 12:50:51 PM »
IIRC, in BFC he pointed out Canada has about the same number of guns as the US.
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« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2004, 12:52:57 PM »
Yeah, all critics that set any biases aside said it wasn't that good of a film.



But moore will say anything just to sell a book and movie.  He doesn't actually mean it, nor is all of it factual.
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« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2004, 01:06:18 PM »
I have never seen any of his films but I will see this one no doubt..

Yeager: You do understand that propaganda comes from everywhere!! Its better to hear it all from both sides and form your own oppinion rather than depend on daily whitehouse briefings.. We all know how factual and straight to the point they are.. haha


Whats the crime rate in Japan??


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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2004, 01:11:30 PM »
What's been the violent crime rate in Japan for the last 1000 years?

That's one place where I think societal mores control crime far more than their economy or gun ownership.
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« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2004, 01:14:53 PM »
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What's been the violent crime rate in Japan for the last 1000 years?

That's one place where I think societal mores control crime far more than their economy or gun ownership.


Guess that was kinda what I was thinking..  Was in agreement w/ Stabby bout the countries culture and economy have more to do w/ crime rates than guns..


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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2004, 01:20:51 PM »
Now ask yourself how the societal mores got that way.  ;)
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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2004, 01:29:08 PM »
I know all about it dude.  I just have an aversion to Moores personality.  Plus, I figure my 24x7x365 to the information era pretty much exposes me to damned near everything.  I can afford to be discerning where the likes of Moore are concerned.
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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2004, 01:30:25 PM »
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Now ask yourself how the societal mores got that way.  ;)


The japanese have an extreme amount of self control. Before 1945 they have a history of very brutal and violent crime.
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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2004, 01:32:47 PM »
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Now ask yourself how the societal mores got that way.  ;)


I dont understand the question... Excuse my ignorance    8)


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« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2004, 01:33:43 PM »
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I know all about it dude.  I just have an aversion to Moores personality.  Plus, I figure my 24x7x365 to the information era pretty much exposes me to damned near everything.  I can afford to be discerning where the likes of Moore are concerned.



Good enough.. 8)


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