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« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2004, 02:15:50 PM »
Here you go:

Japanese Proverb:

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The nail that sticks up will be hammered down.


Hammer for those that would be violent in a rigidly controlled society:

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

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« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2004, 02:20:46 PM »
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Here you go:

Japanese Proverb:



Hammer for those that would be violent in a rigidly controlled society:



And that is why their history is filled with very bloody revolutions, and roaming groups of bandits.

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« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2004, 02:25:12 PM »
It may also be why Joe Average is a very quiescent and docile person that is very careful not to offend in any way.

Just a thought.
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« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2004, 02:37:16 PM »
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It may also be why Joe Average is a very quiescent and docile person that is very careful not to offend in any way.

Just a thought.


Yea, pretty much the last 50 years have been like this.

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« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2004, 02:38:22 PM »
Before that. They had a historically low rate of violent crime far longer than that.
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« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2004, 02:40:34 PM »
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Before that. They had a historically low rate of violent crime far longer than that.


No they didnt.

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« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2004, 02:40:47 PM »
I like Moore's work, but I take it for what it is...Infotainment. Roger and Me was definitely his best effort because his heart was in it. GM was causing his hometown to wither and die while making outrageous profit from it. Everything since has been something to keep working... and there's nothing wrong with that. If he has put the same effort into 9/11 that he did R&M this may be a very good film. Reserving any opinion until I see it myself.



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« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2004, 03:22:09 PM »
moores counter ego on the right wore a swastika on his upper arm - those that applaud him are equally as moore-onic
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« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2004, 03:54:56 PM »
Ok, educate me. What do you base this upon?
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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2004, 04:07:16 PM »
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What's been the violent crime rate in Japan for the last 1000 years?


Nothig compared to the violent crime rate on this continent for the past 400 years...not even close.

America in a landslide...

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« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2004, 04:10:12 PM »
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It may also be why Joe Average is a very quiescent and docile person that is very careful not to offend in any way.

Just a thought.


And you consider this a good thing?

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« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2004, 04:15:29 PM »
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Here you go:

Japanese Proverb:



Hammer for those that would be violent in a rigidly controlled society:



Sounds almost like, "those that oppose the president may be considered as terrorist sympathizers..."

Sit down, and STFU...everyone...

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« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2004, 04:34:03 PM »
It's not a discussion about the crime rates in Japan vs America. It's in the vein of "why the difference?"

A good thing MT? I dunno. It just IS, isn't it? I guess it's good if it's the prime cause of their present low crime rate.. or is it?

All I can tell  you is this:

When I was a kid, pheasant hunting wasn' the sport of the masses that it is now. As a result, those of us that did, didn't really need a dog. You could walk up on them and they'd "hold" until you got real close and then fly. Obviously, many of them died.

Now pheasants basically have a new "generation" every year. For the last 30 odd years in my personal experience, those that "hold" don't live to reproduce the next Spring.

Anymore, you can't hunt them without a dog. Only a very few will "hold" until you are close, even on opening day. This is a generally observed, widespread phenomenom in the heavily hunted areas.

However, if you go to the "great beyond" that's traditionally been lightly hunted over the last 30 years, you can still find pockets of what have become known as "dumb ones" that will hold.

The hypothesis is that we have enforced a little Darwinism on them. If you fly, you die and don't reproduce. Thus, "runners" live to reproduce and pass this trait on to their offspring.

There are always exceptions to the rule, of course.

So, tell me....... would the forcible removal [swish of sword] [/swish] of people prone to violent crime from a relatively closed society over many generations produce a society with folks less disposed to violent crime?

You tell me; I don't know for sure but it's crossed my mind once or twice. ;)
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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2004, 06:16:26 PM »
You all know what? Moore's movie made a lot of waves, got a lot of publicity, and turned up some tempers, BUT, all the griping about his movie, and all the supporet for President Busch, and all the hatred of President Busch, All the people saying that Kerry is gonna beat Busch in the election, still leaves us with the problem at hand, Its not a matter of who started the war on terror, the fact is WE ARE AT WAR. Personally from a Militeary veteran's point of view, and a fathers point of view, I think the main thing people should be thinking about is how to either win this terror war, or get out of it..
I've been to Iraq twice in my life, both times I had a "war" to fight. both times it was to liberate Kwait.
The Iraqi people were happy when we ousted Saddam from power, then they wanted us out of their country ( what did I say would happen?)
Ok they want us out? then we should've left after we ousted Saddam, BUT theres this little thing called the Gevenia convention that says we cant leave until a govt is set up in that country.
They don't want a govt set up by the United States, therefore, we're stuck in this for a long time.

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« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2004, 06:37:36 PM »
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It's not a discussion about the crime rates in Japan vs America. It's in the vein of "why the difference?"

A good thing MT? I dunno. It just IS, isn't it? I guess it's good if it's the prime cause of their present low crime rate.. or is it?

All I can tell  you is this:

When I was a kid, pheasant hunting wasn' the sport of the masses that it is now. As a result, those of us that did, didn't really need a dog. You could walk up on them and they'd "hold" until you got real close and then fly. Obviously, many of them died.

Now pheasants basically have a new "generation" every year. For the last 30 odd years in my personal experience, those that "hold" don't live to reproduce the next Spring.

Anymore, you can't hunt them without a dog. Only a very few will "hold" until you are close, even on opening day. This is a generally observed, widespread phenomenom in the heavily hunted areas.

However, if you go to the "great beyond" that's traditionally been lightly hunted over the last 30 years, you can still find pockets of what have become known as "dumb ones" that will hold.

The hypothesis is that we have enforced a little Darwinism on them. If you fly, you die and don't reproduce. Thus, "runners" live to reproduce and pass this trait on to their offspring.

There are always exceptions to the rule, of course.

So, tell me....... would the forcible removal [swish of sword] [/swish] of people prone to violent crime from a relatively closed society over many generations produce a society with folks less disposed to violent crime?

You tell me; I don't know for sure but it's crossed my mind once or twice. ;)


No doubt the more draconian the measures the more docile the society. Anyone disagreeing would be imprisoned or dead. I hear NAZI Germany had a pretty low crime rate too.

 But that might have had more to do with Hitler taking all the guns... .