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Offline kevykev56

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« on: May 19, 2004, 12:08:34 PM »
Anyone else have problems with getting dizzy while playing AHII? I cant play games like Doom, Halo, or just about any first person shoot em up game. Makes my head swim like I have been spinning in circles for 20 minutes.  Although AHII makes me dizzy on a much lesser scale than the shoot em up games.

I have never had a problem with flight sims until this one. Something wierd with my brain thinking I should be moving when im not. Maybe I will get use to it but just wondered if anyone else is having this problem.

I think it demonstrates the better graphics quality of AHII and its  ability to fool my feeble brain.

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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2004, 12:59:35 PM »
I had the same feeling when playing Descent 3... after a while the dizziness turned to headache.

I was never sure if it was because of a too-real motion effect or something else... either way I've never experienced that in any other game.
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2004, 01:27:57 PM »
WOW .. I thought It was me only.:eek:

I'm always dizzy and end up throwing up after playing doom and some others first person shooters.

I was dizzy after playing Ah2, but was never dizzy playing AH1.

Go figure.:confused:
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2004, 01:37:10 PM »
It's a common problem in high fidelity simulations.  The military is having a tough time solving this problem not only in simulators, but also in actual aircraft that are using sensors to provide enhanced vision.  Spatial disorientation can be incapacitating even sitting on the ground in a simulator.

I think there are several people who have this kind of problem, and most usually find something to alleviate the symptoms.  

Try playing the game with the lights in the room either turned up very bright or turned down very dark.  

Side leg braces, or just something to lean your leg against while using your rudder pedals may give you enough sensory feedback to prevent disorientation.  

Remember to blink.  

Get into the habit of looking at your keyboard every minute or two.  Move your head around, or turn your head a little bit when switching view directions.

Keep a glass of water/coke/beer/whatever next to the monitor and take a sip every few minutes to distract yourself from the visual effects.

Wear a hat while playing (sounds weird, but the mildly distracting sensation may help).

Try wearing very mild reading glasses.

Use a fan to blow a light stream of cool air over your head and upper body.

Every once in a while, level your virtual plane, turn on autopilot, and stretch while looking around the room, focusing on specific items at a distance different than the distance from your head to the monitor.

Good luck!

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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2004, 01:44:43 PM »
happens to me to, it never happens in americas army or flight sims (well when im really close to the ground it does) it also happens in almost anything when the screen isnt refreshing fast enough...

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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2004, 01:48:35 PM »
i dont get dizzy but sometimes with first person shooters i get motion sickness and my stomach gets alittle upset.

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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2004, 02:04:51 PM »
Glad to know im not the only one. But stinks that others have to deal with it also. Decent 3 was the worst for me also Dux, I actually played it long enough to get sick. I had a headache for hours after that and never played the game again. Almost happend in Halo.

I will try some of the suggestions Orig to try and reduce the Spatial disorientation. It will be difficult to bring myself "out of the game". However like I said this isnt as bad as others and I am able to deal with it here. If I just look at my instruments for a bit it stops. If I am busy with another plane I focus on the enemy and it doesnt bother me much there either. Its just hard searching for ground targets and horizon without that motion sickness feeling.

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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2004, 03:24:57 PM »
I forget which FPS it was (I think Unreal Tournament), but I had the same issue with that game.  Got so dizzy and sick feeling I had to lay down for hours.  I could not bring myself to try playing the game again for about 6 months.  However, when I picked it up again I never had another problem...go figure.
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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2004, 03:57:29 PM »
Had a friend some years ago who would become somewhat ill, like you guys, while playing any motion-heavy game. First-person games drove his gut crazy. It didn't matter what type of game it was; if the view was supposed to be "your eyes" he'd get really queasy. Movies didn't bother him, and oddly enough the rest of us would get sick after ten rides on a roller coaster. He'd be fine! To get him in the same room where a computer game was being played took quite a bit. So, we tried a few things that would stop him from confusing the monitor's display with what his butt was feeling...

Wiggle in your seat. I'm not kidding! When you're driving a car or flying a plane, you get a lot of sensation through your rear. If you're sitting at a computer there is no sensation. Moving your butt reminds you that there is, in fact, no motion.

Prop your feet up on the subwoofer or a pile of books under the desk if you fly with a twisty stick. Again, reinforcement that you are not moving.

What Orig said about having a drink handy does work. That's how me and another friend cured our bud of getting sick while flying. Warm soda doesn't taste all that good (gives me a headache) so keeping a cold drink handy forces you to look away from the screen for a moment or two. A thermos of ice-tea is better than soda for two reasons. It's bigger, and it'll stay cold longer. Plus if you drink enough eventually you'll be informed that your rent is up on the tea!

Looking at the keyboard does the same thing. Especially if you're not a Class-A typist (HT, take note! :D )

While it won't improve your flying skill any, and might get you shot down, try a metronome in the room. But place it just out of reach. Either you'll fall asleep or get annoyed at it and try to swat the thing.

If you want to break the habit entirely, fly offline for a few de-sensitizing runs. At first, only fly level. Take off, set up some gawd-awful low cruise power setting, and just watch things go by. Once you can do this and not get ill, try a few basic maneuvers. Light climbs, easy turns, brief looking around. Remember to look at the fixed aircraft parts (canopy frames, wingtip, headrest) as much as you watch the terrain. Remember: on the artifical horizon, blue means "This End Up". Try formation flying with the drones too; if you want to stop the drone from moving you have to make an effort at it. No cheating by plastering Natedog or Supahfry with 20mils because they won't hold still. :) Use slow-steady control inputs until you can hold that drone exactly where you want it.

Turn up the AC. In a slightly cool room you have a tendency to be a bit more alert. Too much heat makes most folks groggy or slightly tired.


In the end, it wound up being a tie between the cold drink trick and the de-sensitizing trick that broke my friend of his motion sickness. Between getting used to one part moving and other parts being stationary, and the need to pee, he eventually got to the point where most motion doesn't bother him. There's still a few games he won't go near (UT and AH still makes him ill) but he can at least fly a 747 now. Slow or moderate motion doesn't bother him anymore, it's sudden or high-speed movement that makes his gut go bananas. I tried getting him into a top turret gun on our AH2 B-17 offline. The rotation and elevation didn't seem to bother him any, but once he lost the landmarks (tail, prop blur) he started getting nauseated. While he can't fly in any combat sim, or run around in most first-person shooters, he can fly an ILS in FS2k4 so smoothly it'll leave you green with envy!



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« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2004, 06:24:01 PM »
Check the refresh rate setting for your monitor.  If I leave it at the default 60 hertz, I'll have a headache and dizziness in no time.


Right click desktop, properties, settings, advanced, monitor.

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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2004, 07:12:33 PM »
My refresh rate is at 85hz, best my monitor will do. I dont believe it has to do with refresh. The cause is more like what Orig explained in his earlier post. It is because my brain is being fooled into thinking I am moving when I am sitting still. When this happens it plays havoc on some peoples brains.

Those video motion rides in amusment parks are terrible. I cant even get inside them. However I can ride any rollercoaster or spinning ride on the planet without problems. Deep sea fishing almost every weekend dont bother me either. Just these silly games...arrrrr:mad:

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