Corruption in the UN?? Say it ain't so!

[straffo]

I can't disagree with this but it's far from complete...

Let talk in theory so :

If without embargo the ressources availlable are 150 but the normal need is 100 when there is a 20 "Siphoning" it left 130.

Now set up an embargo but leave the "Siphoning" there is now only 80 availlable.

Who is responsible ?
The guys that still take 20 or the guy that made the amount drop to 100 ?

Plus for the average Iraqi when they were having only 130 there was no penury...

[AKIron]

Originally posted by straffo
I can't disagree with this but it's far from complete...

Let talk in theory so :

If without embargo the ressources availlable are 150 but the normal need is 100 when there is a 20 "Siphoning" it left 130.

Now set up an embargo but leave the "Siphoning" there is now only 80 availlable.

Who is responsible ?
The guys that still take 20 or the guy that made the amount drop to 100 ?

Plus for the average Iraqi when they were having only 130 there was no penury...

Why bother with theory, we have the very real situation/problem to discuss. Provision was made. Someone stole it from the Iraqis. Who is to blame? The thieves of course.

[Toad]

Originally posted by straffo
But do they maintain the embargo during years ?
No, they abused it.
The US are responsible of the embargo.

in '99 France, Russia and China all ABSTAINED from the resolution vote and it passed.

All permanent members of the SC with veto power.

So, for example, France alone could have vetoed it but chose to Abstain so it's the AMREEKANS fault!

[lada]

Originally posted by AKIron
No idea what you are talking about lada. Nilsen, no need for your tinfoil hat just yet,  unless you know what lada is talking about.

I probably messed up Enron with Worldcom..

here we go
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/123016_worldcomiraq22.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A40708-2003Oct30¬Found=true


What do you think about that Iron.

It is nice example of what we call corruption.

[lada]

Originally posted by Toad


So, for example, France alone could have vetoed it but chose to Abstain so it's the AMREEKANS fault!

Whole Iraq is American

fault

or not ?

[AKIron]

Originally posted by lada
I probably messed up Enron with Worldcom..

here we go
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/123016_worldcomiraq22.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A40708-2003Oct30¬Found=true


What do you think about that Iron.

It is nice example of what we call corruption.

I scanned both of those articles. Neither made any claims of illegal activity. The main opponents of the Worldcom contract were bid competitors. Where is the corruption?

[lada]

Corruption is, that somebody make decision whitch will lead to his personal enrichment.

So if Mr. Bush pick some company w/o tender and company will donate him money, it is corruption over here.

Im wondering that sometime American are so proud, that money move their world, but its funny how they become blind in sutch cases.

Did you realy read second link ?

[AKIron]

Originally posted by lada
Corruption is, that somebody make decision whitch will lead to his personal enrichment.

So if Mr. Bush pick some company w/o tender and company will donate him money, it is corruption over here.

Im wondering that sometime American are so proud, that money move their world, but its funny how they become blind in sutch cases.

Did you realy read second link ?

Ok, first of all, no. Making a decision to enrich oneself is not corruption. Unless it is done illegally or imorally. Secondly, Bush does not decide who gets what government contracts. There are firm laws and guidelines in place for bidders and government contract managers to follow in determining who gets what and how they are fulfilled. Maybe this isn't so in your country? That would explain your lack of understanding.

I told you I scanned them both. I did not read them carefully.

[ra]

Enron and Worldcom were hosed long before Bush got elected.

[lada]

Originally posted by AKIron
Maybe this isn't so in your country? That would explain your lack of understanding.

I told you I scanned them both. I did not read them carefully.

aha... so you are lazy to read it and im lack of understanding....
yeah that sound logic


RA: What are you talking about... ??

[AKIron]

Originally posted by lada
aha... so you are lazy to read it and im lack of understanding....
yeah that sound logic


RA: What are you talking about... ??

Didn't say I was too lazy. I read fast and can usually get the gist of something by scanning. Please tell me how my analysis was wrong.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Toad
So, for example, France alone could have vetoed it but chose to Abstain so it's the AMREEKANS fault!
 

What is your problem with this ?
It's true ,I don't see anything to add.

Whatever the number of  you will put in your post it won't change this truth.

What I understand of your and Iron post is : the Embargo against Iraq was effective because the UN is corrupt.

Originally posted by AKIron
Why bother with theory, we have the very real situation/problem to discuss. Provision was made. Someone stole it from the Iraqis. Who is to blame? The thieves of course.

Yes, the thieves ... but the one who took 50 , the one who took 20 or both ?

Whatever your will do it won't change the opinion of the Iraqi :
-before the US embargo their was a dictature but they where surviving.
-After the US embargo their was a dictature but they where dieing.

[Toad]

Originally posted by straffo
The US are responsible of the embargo.

France is responsible because it did not veto the resolution and let it pass.

See how easy it is?

[straffo]

It verify my signature :

When intelligent folks decide to no longer understand, they become much more successful at stupidity than idiots

[Eagler]

America now caused the the UN corruption .. LOL

some of you are good for a laugh