Author Topic: Tour Stats (Read 1017 times)

Minotaur · « **on:** October 06, 2000, 10:05:00 PM »

I have rated figheter planes for Tour 8 using my "Composite Success Number" (CSN).

CSN = (K+D)*(K/D)/100

This number has no real value only a relative one, which I believe is indicative of:

How much the plane gets used
How successful the plane is when it is used

The ranking list is from best to worst Tour 8 stats. The first number is Tour 8 CSN and for comparison the second number is average CSN for Tours 4-8.

Rank Tour8 Average

F4U-1C   343   302

Spit IX   170   230
N1K2   162   152
P-51D   128   146

109G-10   92   118
190A-5   76   186

Yak-9U   54   30
P-47D30   53   132
Typh 1B   52   28
190A-8   46   74
P-38L   40   78

A6M5b   25   31
F4U-1D   25   15
Spit V   23   32
C.205   23   56
La5-FN   22   28

109G-6   13   13
P-47D25   11   28
109F-4   10   8
109G-2   9   10

C.202   1   2

Most noted change down
190A-5   76   186
P-47D30   53   132
P-38L   40   78
190A-8   46   74
C.205   23   56
P-47D25   11   28

Most noted change up
Yak-9U   54   30
Typh 1B   52   28

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"Anyway, more golf..."
Humble

Toad · « **Reply #1 on:** October 06, 2000, 10:15:00 PM »

Mino,

Pull the ground vehicles and C-47's out of the K/D and see what you get.

Please

Minotaur · « **Reply #2 on:** October 06, 2000, 10:25:00 PM »

Comparing the change in percent from Tour8 to the Tour4-8 average.

Change = (CSN_Tour8/CSN_Tour4-8_Ave)/100

This relative number is expressed in a percentage of change. Those planes with numbers greater than 100 show an improved CSN, while those with numbers less than 100 show a declining CSN. A number of 100 would indicate no change in CSN.

Specifically the changes were as follows:

Plane Change
F4U-1C   114
F4U-1D   172
P-38L   52
P-47D25   39
P-47D30   40
P-51D   88
Spit V   73
Spit IX   74
Typh 1B   185
C.202   67
C.205   40
A6M5b   79
N1K2   107
Yak-9U   147
La5-FN   80
109G-10   78
109G-6   98
109G-2   92
109F-4   128
190A-5   41
190A-8   63

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"Anyway, more golf..."
Humble

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Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #3 on:** October 06, 2000, 10:31:00 PM »

The important question to ask is of all of the planes, were any of the differences statistically significant? If not, these pretty numbers are just that... pretty numbers and nothing more.

BTW nice work, Minotaur!

-- Todd/DMF

Minotaur · « **Reply #4 on:** October 06, 2000, 10:42:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad:
Mino,

Pull the ground vehicles and C-47's out of the K/D and see what you get.

Please

LOL

That would be just to much effort, however I do wish that HTC had a more multi-dimensionally query system for its stat data base. The data base display is pretty clumsy and clunky for what you get out of it.

Personal, if I could eliminate or add many factors I certainly would. One that comes to mind are K/D vs Ground vehicles. Also K/D vs assnine crashes that lead to death (like I do all the time) for no reason other than you get to re-spawn in 5 seconds.

Thanks for the feedback!

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"Anyway, more golf..."
Humble

Minotaur · « **Reply #5 on:** October 06, 2000, 10:45:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Minotaur:
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This number has no real value only a relative one, which I believe is indicative of:
How much the plane gets used
How successful the plane is when it is used
<snip>[/b]

DMF;

I did spell out a nice disclaimer.

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"Anyway, more golf..."
Humble

Minotaur · « **Reply #6 on:** October 07, 2000, 01:14:00 AM »

Don't ask me why I did this. Curiousity I guess.

Below is the K/D and the CSN for all fighters considering Tour 8 only.

K/D with columns representing:

Plane type
Gross K/D score
K/D for bombers and ground vehicles
Corrected K/D for fighter vs fighter only

F4U-1C   1.68   1.42   1.80
F4U-1D   0.63   0.51   0.67
P-38L   0.62   0.57   0.64
P-47D25   0.87   0.61   0.98
P-47D30   0.84   0.62   0.93
P-51D   1.01   0.87   1.05
Spit V   0.66   0.56   0.67
Spit IX   0.98   0.77   1.03
Typh 1B   1.07   0.83   1.24
C.202   0.42   0.22   0.46
C.205   0.82   0.70   0.85
A6M5b   0.63   0.56   0.65
N1K2   1.19   1.16   1.20
Yak-9U   1.04   0.88   1.07
La5-FN   0.98   0.82   1.01
109G-10   1.07   1.01   1.09
109G-6   0.75   0.75   0.75
109G-2   1.02   0.95   1.03
109F-4   0.82   0.71   0.84
190A-5   1.21   1.10   1.24
190A-8   1.04   0.90   1.10

CSN with columns representing:

Plane type
Gross CSN score
CSN for bombers and ground vehicles
Corrected CSN for fighter vs fighter only

F4U-1C   343   35   262
F4U-1D   25   3   21
P-38L   40   6   31
P-47D25   11   1   9
P-47D30   53   6   44
P-51D   128   11   108
Spit V   23   2   20
Spit IX   170   12   149
Typh 1B   52   8   38
C.202   1   0   1
C.205   23   2   19
A6M5b   25   2   21
N1K2   162   11   138
Yak-9U   54   3   48
La5-FN   22   2   19
109G-10   92   10   73
109G-6   13   1   10
109G-2   9   1   8
109F-4   10   1   9
190A-5   76   6   63
190A-8   46   6   36

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"Anyway, more golf..."
Humble

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Minotaur · « **Reply #7 on:** October 07, 2000, 01:23:00 AM »

During my analysis I noticed that the Ostwind is absolutely kicking ass. N O N E of the fighters perform at a postive K/D compared to the Ostwind. In some case the K/D for the Ostwind exceeds 10 to 1.

Columns represent:

Plane type vs Ostwind
Plane Kill
Plane Die
Plane CSN vs Ostwind

F4U-1C   865   1746   18
F4U-1D   43   447   10
P-38L   107   613   13
P-47D25   24   140   3
P-47D30   141   691   13
P-51D   102   637   8
Spit V   13   157   3
Spit IX   107   737   11
Typh 1B   216   688   11
C.202   1   11   1
C.205   6   115   2
A6M5b   28   220   4
N1K2   61   459   4
Yak-9U   10   169   2
La5-FN   7   67   1
109G-10   30   377   4
109G-6   2   89   1
109G-2   1   33   0
109F-4   6   66   1
190A-5   59   291   3
190A-8   89   384   5

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"Anyway, more golf..."
Humble

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Minotaur · « **Reply #8 on:** October 07, 2000, 01:30:00 AM »

More analysis suggests that of all the planes that fly around the MA only one enjoys varying degrees of success.

Some times this plane has limited success when no other plane has any.

Some times this plane just blows away all the competion.

F4U-1C

Has to be the guns, big surprize?

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"Anyway, more golf..."
Humble

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #9 on:** October 07, 2000, 04:17:00 AM »

Tour 8:
The Ostwind has 11584 kills and has been killed 5122 times
The Panzer IV H has 4457 kills and has been killed 2860 times

Tour 9:
The Ostwind has 2799 kills and has been killed 2290 times
The Panzer IV H has 3249 kills and has been killed 2488 times

One week into the new tour and the panzer has already been killed nearly as much as it was in all of tour 8. The Osty should take a mere two weeks to match tour 8.

If it weren't for the Typhoon and the F4u-1C.. these numbers would simply be rediculous.

Play your stats game all you want. The truth is the F4u-1C is doing worse against fighters than it did in tour 8 by about 14%. Many other fighter stats are going up.... but I'll have more data on that tomorrow.

Let's see what the stats show me.

AKDejaVu

Minotaur · « **Reply #10 on:** October 07, 2000, 08:19:00 AM »

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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
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Play your stats game all you want. The truth is the F4u-1C is doing worse against fighters than it did in tour 8 by about 14%. Many other fighter stats are going up.... but I'll have more data on that tomorrow.

Let's see what the stats show me.

AKDejaVu

<snip>

AKDejaVu;

Seems that I hit a nerve, this was not my intent. Your post makes it sound like you are at odds with me. Why so sensitve? Did I state something untrue?

At any rate I'm looking forward to your analysis of the stats. It is my "This weeks hobby!".

Thanks!

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"Anyway, more golf..."
Humble

-duma- · « **Reply #11 on:** October 07, 2000, 09:01:00 AM »

I think he's just as tired as me of the unending Hispano complaints that seemingly turn up in every thread.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #12 on:** October 07, 2000, 12:09:00 PM »

tour9:
AKDejaVu has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1C.

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Seems that I hit a nerve, this was not my intent. Your post makes it sound like you are at odds with me. Why so sensitve? Did I state something untrue?

You didn't state anything mino. You still aren't. You introduce some new "factor" that is absolutely worthless and then refuse to take the time to factor out ground vehicles?... just noticed you did this later... though you still seem to include F4u-1CvsF4u-1C stats when comparing the aircraft.. a no-no.

Just what is your intent with these stats? You are introducing a set of numbers without actually considering what they mean. You only look at one particular set, then come off like everything else is irrelivant.

Are hispanos good? Yep.. best damn cannon in the game. Find anyone to argue that. Eliminate the hispano.. and you'll have to start finding the next gun in the game that has now become uber... so that can be eliminated too.

The truth is, the new strategy has forced an air-to-ground role. More F4u-1C and Typhoon missions are a result. Due to more exposure, people are learning to defend against ground forces and attack them. Osty's are not enjoying anything near the same K/D they did in tour 8 as a result.

So.. mino.. if I hit a nerve.. I'm sorry. But don't expect to throw out any set of numbers without having someone throw them back in your face.

AKDejaVu

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AKDejaVu · « **Reply #13 on:** October 07, 2000, 12:24:00 PM »

By the way Mino.. using your own formula, with bombers and ground vehicles removed, the F4u-1C's "CSN" is 136 (projected) for tour9. It was at 238 in tour 8 vs fighters.

AKDejaVu

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #14 on:** October 07, 2000, 12:29:00 PM »

Oh.. by the way Mino.. you are factoring out the kills the F4u-1C has against itself too right? I mean you can't compare it to other aircraft if you are using its statistics against itself too.

AKDejaVu