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Offline AKcurly

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« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2004, 11:05:39 PM »
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Can anyone actually be lacking in a formal education to be a "commentator"?

Yer being elitist here.

Because you were a U Prof. But you were a Prof of science.

Trying to spout of with authority on social/artistic subjects is stoopid. You have no more cred on the issue than any one of us on the matter. Which is obvious.

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I almost guaruntee you haven't read any of the things/books in this thread.



In the hard sciences,  occasionally you see successful guys w/o formal education.  Freeman Dyson comes to mind.  He had a BS in physics and was a full professor at one of the Eastern schools.   In the hard sciences, sheer brilliance makes up for a lot of missing territory.  

In the soft sciences, you want historical perspective and that is almost always accompanied by academic achievement.  Who else has the leisure?  I suppose educated cops with some leisure time would be the ideal social commentators.

I'm not trying to spout with authority.  I'm simply stating my opinon as you are.  It is ok to have an opinion, right?  

And, you are so right about my ignorance of Vonnegut and Yeats.  Why, I had never heard of them before this thread occurred.  Thank you for bringing them to my attention.

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« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2004, 11:13:55 PM »
Sure! It's okay to have on opinion!

I just wonder why yer raggin' so hard on others for theirs.

Cuz it's "soft science"?

Sure... Tell me again how that's not some kind of lofty elitist perspective spouted by a professed but definitely never-to-be verified reader of literature by someone of the "hard science" realm.

No way. Yer sellin - I ain't buyin'.

Gimme a coupla examples of worthy social contributing commentators.

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« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2004, 11:16:08 PM »
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Social Historian??? Social Commentator??? Social Contributer???

Which one is he? or isn't he?? or.... wtf?????
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Is you're talking about Vonnegut, he definitely has contributed to society. [see above note.]  I see no reason to take someone like Vonnegut seriously when it comes to social commentary.

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at this point it behooves you to provide examples of "distinguished social commentators".... cuz I'm starting to think I don't know exactly what the hell yer talking about.
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Someone who is familiar with the entire span of recorded human civilization, understands the economics which drives a nation and is intimately familiar with his/her current society.

Look guys, we obviously don't agree and that's cool.  I'm done typing.

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« Reply #48 on: May 21, 2004, 11:23:18 PM »


Ciao.

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« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2004, 11:24:35 PM »
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Gimme a coupla examples of worthy social contributing commentators.


Heh, last response.  I'm tired and want to shoot down red guys.

Churchill comes to mind as a Brit reference, Page Smith is fair so far as America goes (don't know if he's still kicking).  For you Nash, Engelbert Humperdink.

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« Reply #50 on: May 21, 2004, 11:25:56 PM »
"You're havin' mah baby!"

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« Reply #51 on: May 21, 2004, 11:44:23 PM »
Vonnegut is entitled to his own views of course.  However, his sneering self-righteousness and contempt for those on the opposite end of the political spectrum infected the collegiate generation of the 1960s, and thereby helped bring an end to civil discourse.

One hear's his rantings everytime someone disparages the intelligence or education of a political opponent.  

He does not deserve our respect, for that reason alone.

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« Reply #52 on: May 21, 2004, 11:47:38 PM »
All these "hes bull****ter" comments..

Didn't that jesus or moses guy tell us to respect the elderly people (for they have seen much more in life than most of us, including one and very few even two of the biggest wars known to human kind)

Also labeling those with differing opinion of what US of A should be as an anti-american, is closer to mentality of soviet union/national-sosialistic germany than what USA was built on.
Often these same people are also very critict about nazis and communists. :rolleyes:

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« Reply #53 on: May 21, 2004, 11:53:08 PM »
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Vonnegut....helped bring an end to civil discourse.



wow!

lol funny.

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« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2004, 12:15:39 AM »
Heh heh heh! Ahee!

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« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2004, 12:28:08 AM »
woot.

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« Reply #56 on: May 22, 2004, 09:01:54 AM »
because we don't think he is relavant we are against free speech?    He doesn't get published because there is no market short of a bunch of U.S. hating eurotrash.

How come he isn't published in every paper in yurup?

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« Reply #57 on: May 22, 2004, 09:55:41 AM »
Laz....

What's the difference between Anti-Amercian and Anti-Government?

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« Reply #58 on: May 22, 2004, 10:27:00 AM »
Am I the only one here considering the title and source of the thread?  It has nothing to do with Kurt Vonnegut, at least the way I see it.  

Baroda offered up a thread titled, "Who's that anti-american bastard?"  Or something to that effect.  Then proceeds to divert attention away from him using a somewhat eccentric American author who is an elderly man now.  

Is that correct Baroda?  You have "communist  bastard" in part of your sig.  So lets see, I know, you figured you'd get the Americans all worked up about one of their own respected and somewhat obscure authors, and sit back and enjoy the fun....without anyone questioning you at all.

Is that how the communists do things Baroda?  Let old men take all the pounding while you get off scott free?

I for one am curious about Baroda's motives...mainly because he's the only one here who has a hammer and sicle as an avatar.

That being said, I think Nash has stood up admirally in the defense of artists/writers being contributors to society.  Imo, Kurt Vonnegut is an eccentric, but I would hesitate to call him anti-American.  Though Vonnegut's essay certainly is.  I don't think it has much negative impact on the moral of our troops in war.  I certainly hope not.

Baroda has no right to come in here sporting a hammer and sicle avatar, suggesting anti-Americanism and subjecting Mr. Vonnegut to critique on a piece he wrote, when he suspects Mr. Vonnegut is not here to respond to Baroda.  That's not very nice.  And, aside from Nash and a couple others, it doesn't seem like many here have read his works.

Baroda does have a right to his opinion, and I would like to hear it, because so far as I can tell, he hasn't justified his first post, unless it was to put down Kurt Vonnegut.

Maybe I missed something.

And Nash, I don't think I've ever seen you get so, well, for lack of a better word, passionate about a discussion.  I agree with your points about creative people and artists being great contributors to society.  Pure technology without some spiritual basis could be the end of us all.


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« Reply #59 on: May 22, 2004, 11:27:59 AM »
Baroda, I think it's important here so there are no misunderstandings about my post mentioning you.  I'm not being accusatory toward you, and I would rather be friends than enemies.:)

I have to get on you because, hell, for all I know, you may BE Kurt Vonnegut.

Anyway, no matter what anyone else here says, I hope you understand this is not a personal attack.  



Les