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Offline eddiek

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« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2004, 07:27:22 PM »
OKay, everyone seems to have vented.
Gonna address one thing then shut up:

I don't know what was meant by the "it's not anybodys job to balance the arena but maybe the CM's" remark, but if anyone thinks it is the job of the CT Staff to make players play a certain way, they are dead wrong.
We are players ourselves, subject to the same frustrations everyone else is.  We don't get free accounts, we don't get special planes, etc.
Each and every setup that has been run in the arena to date, from the very beginning, has drawn negative comments from one player or another.  No CT staffer has ever ran a perfect setup, where no one had a single complaint.  That's just life.  We cannot please everyone all the time, and it is pointless to think that we can.  There are those who only like ETO setups, there are those who prefer PTO setups........we try to spread stuff around as much as possible to accomodate each side.  
Balancing the setups is not always a simple thing.  HTC has modelled a lot of planes, but inevitable in each setup someone chimes in with "Why not (insert a plane)" and the endless debate circle starts again.  We have a lot of planes to use, but there are STILL gaps in certain areas that we have to try and address as best we can.  We seem to always use the N1K2J in setups with later war Allied rides cause it is the latest model Japanese fighter in the AH stable, and it is therefore used as a stopgap substitute for the Ki-84.  What else are we supposed to do?  We strive to please, we look at setups that draw larger attendance, we critique our setups to see if we can make them better for everyone.
Bottom line, from my perspective as a player, is this:  It is up to the players to balance the arena, not the CT Staff.  Special Events staff tell you what side to fly, not us.  We try our best to keep the planesets balanced, but what players do with them is up to the players, not the staff.  If you see one side outnumbered 3 or 4 to 1 on the roster, don't blame the staff;  side balancing is up to players and players alone.  
Now, switching roles from player to staff member:
Guys, tell us what we can do to make setups more enjoyable for everyone.

Email me or another staff member with suggestions.

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« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2004, 07:40:15 PM »
I know that i am a young pup in this game, however it seems to me by everything that i have read over the last couple of month's is this (Mind you this is my opinion of what i read and hear). You peolple can not be satisfied with anything that is given you. First you want the PTO and two days later you want it gone and replaced with an ETO which you were just saying that you had seen enough of spit this spit that. Everyone here normally has a valid point pertaining to the CT about something and i will agree that not having the right historical plane set is frustrating. Now i know i may not be making any sense but i do know this whether it be a PTO or ETO i am going to fly. I know i suck and that you guys kill me left and right but i love this game and i am going to keep getting back up into that cockpit no matter what setup it is.


I guess what i'm trying to say in a round about way is this Enjoy what you have.:aok

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« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2004, 08:52:49 PM »
well I moved the fleets away from the action and things went very well. No complaints about ack. What I did see, hoever, is this turned into a typical furball between two bases. No different than the ETO set-ups. At the same time, the IJ wasnt able to vulch as much so both sides were able to get some altitude. Again leading to the typical DA type furballing. This se-up was to represent Operation Iceberg, the attack of Okinawa. This could not happen without the use of the Fleets. Yes, they must be beached in order to get the LVTs and to lvl the base for invasion.

This is just a furball arena, no more no less.

I have no use for it nor am I interested in it any more. I will try to fly the rest of this week and enjoy flying the F4U that seldom is seen in here. Wish I could fly the C-hog and F4F-4 but it wont ever happen. Soulyss' post about this map proves the the F4U-1D is all we will ever get. And along with it will always be the Tank Zeros that wont explode or the never ending line of N1K2Js.

I live for the PTOs but this left a bad tast (get sexual u perverts, go ahead) in my mouth.

Guys, storch shane, lowe all of you. I enjoy dogfighting but its time I take a break for a while. Withn this I am also resigning as CO of the 312th. IM not leaving AH, just taking a vacation.
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« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2004, 10:08:35 PM »
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i say no more PTO's until we get a more complete japanese plane setup from HTC

I say no more SKull until he learns to fight.
well you get kinda tired after fighting against a nik horde that is orbiting the earth above you.

And the nik is the only plane that is ever really flown by the axis in this setup anyway.


Second wind is better by a long shot.

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« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2004, 10:41:18 PM »
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Guys, tell us what we can do to make setups more enjoyable for everyone.


Eddiek , you can't do anything. You guys have done the best you can with what you got to work with.

Guys whine if you fly an N1k2 , guys whine if you have alt, guys whine if you  fly over your own ack, guys whine if the fleet ack gets em........................... ....... The setup is fine......................... ....

I see Japanese players not grabbing alt then complaining because the Allies are B&Zin em. I see lone Allied players dive into a group of Japanese planes , then whine about being gangbanged.

It's Whinebirds It's still better that a post WWII setup.

Hawk you cant make people play the way YOU want them too. If you could I'd have the P-47 drivers stall fighting my zeke.:D

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« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2004, 11:37:49 PM »
Personally - I am not a big fan of the late war PTO set-ups. I like the early war stuff before mid 43.

But coming from having been the CO of two carrier based naval squads I do like to see the carriers brought out every now and then.

As for getting rid of all PTO scenario's - well that is just STUPID for lack of a better word. The guys that belong to the Naval & Marine Squads pay their $15 just like the rest of us and have all the same rights and privleges. They deserve to get the set-ups they like to fly just like we do. THAT IS ONLY FAIR.

Unfortunately HTC has left the Japanese plane not fully developed so the PTO set-ups kind of suffer compaired to the ETO set-ups. We can hope things will improve with AH2. Till then I don't think it will kill us very bad to fly the PTO's. Look at it like a challenge - it might sharpen your skills a little.

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« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2004, 11:48:46 PM »
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You peolple can not be satisfied with anything that is given you.


Couldn't have said it better myself...

Okay.. now on to important matters.. someone was saying something about beer?

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« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2004, 11:52:44 PM »
When I ran this map with the second wind setup in it I tried a few things very early with the fleet hardness settings. I went from one extreme to the other and several in between.

The end result of it was if you dropped it any lower than what we have now the ships were constantly being sunk by some great Japanese player Kamikaze in a group of bombers with torps and then you never had decent fight locations. On the other hand if you moved it much higher you had some USN Bull Halsey wannabe who would drive the damn CV group right on the beach and shoot AAA locations with the machine guns on the destroyers.

The middle ground is what seems to work best and it is what appears to be in the setup.

I can honestly say that I appreciate what Storch and the other Luftwabbles have said in this thread. If I had the free time I would be in there now instead of typing this note.
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Offline Mike_2851

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« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2004, 12:01:26 AM »
P6eHawk, First I've probably got too much Scotch running through my blood that I should not even post, but what the heck, I'll regret it tomorrow. I only say this because I mean no insult nor offence.

I'm not sure that I understand your agenda here. In 2 threads you seem to say that this IS NOT Operation Iceberg, and this is being done all wrong. Things should be done this way and that. You have the ranking and you have taken control of the allied fleets to be more in tuned with the actual "historical" battle plan.

OK, that's all fine but I'm sure that you realize that there is no way in reality that a full weeks set up in the CT will play out as the historical battle plan did. On Tuesday or Thursday when the bulk of the squad activity is present-maybe. So put out a post, organize missions, get ahold of a CT staffer to do a reset, whatever. Try to get a "mini scenario" going on the normal squad nights.

But, real life (historical) there was only so many soldiers on either side, only so much of certain equipment, and history tells us what happened. There was no "balance", "choice", or any of the BS that most of us whine about.

This is a GAME that is supposed to give us entertainment with a historical reference-That's as close as its going to get. There are other whines about too many niks-well this being a game and if you are given a choice-most people will choose to their advantage, it doesn't matter WHAT side you fly.

There is NO WAY this (or any set up) is going to turn out the way YOU want it to. People log on-they log off, numbers for any side will be skewed at any part of the day, this is not an actual battle nor was it intended to be-it is as good as it is going to get-and it will reset when it gets WAY out of whack so we can start all over again.

If I am completely missing the point than I am sorry, but don't use this week's set up and your apparent frustration as an excuse to give up command of a squad and quit (or take a "vacation"). Your a better man than that, I know that for a fact. If you want to do it than just do it, but the setup's are what they are and the Staffers do the best they can, to please the most they can, with what they have at their disposal.

We have WAY too many "arm chair quarterbacks" out there, most of the constructive criticisum(sp-?) turns into a completely senseless "whine" thread within a few posts.

Well, I better quit before I tick off everybody. (OOPS! too late)

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« Reply #39 on: May 24, 2004, 12:51:35 AM »
Free em up if some guy wants to be a beach admiral...

Thats almost as bad as Hawk not letting people have them at all. Nothing against what you said Lowe, but its apparent these Brownwater types are a huge problem. And I know of no way of fixing it.



I would kill for a ETO over a crappy dud-like PTO ANY week of the year, and every year, PTO's are just not interesting. Just end this week early and get back into ETO's. like Battle of Bastogne for instiace? or something with the LW vs VVS. that could do it as well, on the kurlan map, or some other winter map, i dunnnno, just something that is ETO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe you're a crappy dud that cant hack it? Or you could be right.  We should poll our little CT population a see if PAC should be removed all together.

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« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2004, 08:03:17 AM »
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Free em up if some guy wants to be a beach admiral...

Thats almost as bad as Hawk not letting people have them at all. Nothing against what you said Lowe, but its apparent these Brownwater types are a huge problem. And I know of no way of fixing it.


Very true Slash . The only problem is the Allied guys need the fleet near the Japanese bases to float their LTVs. So keeping them away from the beaches , and then complaining because nobody is invading Okinawa...........That is like farting in your car leaving the windows rolled up, and complaining of the smell.:)

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« Reply #41 on: May 24, 2004, 09:34:26 AM »
I had a blast last night blowing up the 312th as they made repeated attempts to capture A20.

If you guys want to capture bases 4 guys is enough, but you have to have skills in Jabo.  Clearly you guys need to practice that.  This is not a flame.  There is no way one guy would have held back JG3 from a base capture, even if we went in with only 4 guys.

1. take out VH
2. De- ack
3. Cap
4 Capture

The ack nests will go down if u place a 1000lber right in the middle of the 3, this also takes out manned ack.  the lead drops the bombs the wing strafes any soft targets left.  keep your speed up.  zoom, loop hit the next one.  The other element hits the VH. 1 1000lber will easily do it.  Zoom, loop go find an ack nest for the last egg.  now you still have 6 rockets left for the rest of the acks.  don't fly over the ack make your passes from the outside, fire 2 rockets bank away and jink.  come back for the next one.  Again the wing is following up with machine guns.  Once lead has expended ord switch and let the wing lead.

1st guy down goes to get troops.  Train, train like you fight, fight like you train.  Jabo is my favorite aspect of this game.  JG3 really had Jabo down too.

Nothing to it.

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« Reply #42 on: May 24, 2004, 11:25:13 AM »
We need PTO in the rotation, as often as the Allies have the upper hand with their ubber silly spitties they need to just suck it up and take their beating. :D

Oh and I love it when you park your CV group off a base, makes great PT boat torp practice! :rofl

These last 2 days I jumped into 2 on 1's and 3 on 1's in my ubber niki and only went above 10k once to shoot down an 18k F6F.

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« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2004, 02:19:52 PM »
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Eddiek , you can't do anything. You guys have done the best you can with what you got to work with.

Guys whine if you fly an N1k2 , guys whine if you have alt, guys whine if you  fly over your own ack, guys whine if the fleet ack gets em........................... ....... The setup is fine......................... ....

I see Japanese players not grabbing alt then complaining because the Allies are B&Zin em. I see lone Allied players dive into a group of Japanese planes , then whine about being gangbanged.

It's Whinebirds It's still better that a post WWII setup.

Hawk you cant make people play the way YOU want them too. If you could I'd have the P-47 drivers stall fighting my zeke.:D



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« Reply #44 on: May 24, 2004, 03:13:17 PM »
Yup.

P.S. Appreciate the support Storch, its nice to see a player who can think of others.

...to the rest, its kind of sad to see folks dismiss a setup because its not ETO, or they try it for all of 10 min and decide it sucks. Its a setup with no Spits afterall, but there is no pleasing some.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2004, 03:16:49 PM by Squire »
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