The Face of Islam???

[storch]

Originally posted by stiehl
Yeah, those 100,000+ or so Muslims around here are always having killing sprees.

The Muslims here rapidly become "us" and Islam becomes more of a cultural thing.  As being another - American.  American culture will no doubt undermine all that fanatiscizm in time.  We just need to be aware of our surroundings for our own good here at home or abroad.  The writer of the letter is merely expressing what Islam teaches and practices in many of it's factions.  It's a lot like Christianity in that there are many spin offs,  The main difference lies in the person of their prophet and what he believed and preached as opposed to the teachings of Christ.  They are diametrically opposed.  One teaches love, forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance and redemption.  The other teaches conversion or the sword.  See if you can figure out which is which.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by storch
One teaches love, forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance and redemption.  The other teaches conversion or the sword.  See if you can figure out which is which.

Meaning, the Crusades?
Manifest Destiny?

 I thought I heard something somewhere about carrying a bible in one hand and a sword in another...maybe it's only my imagination...

[storch]

Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Meaning, the Crusades?
Manifest Destiny?

 I thought I heard something somewhere about carrying a bible in one hand and a sword in another...maybe it's only my imagination...

Yes yes yes.  However look to what is written in the respective manuals.  One is doing as is prescribed by the tenets of their "faith".  The other is merely people taking the cloak of faith and committing acts that clearly contradict the very teachings they claim to be following.  America is often called a "Christian" nation yet the behavior of our citizens and our government demonstrate that it is not.  We are a secular and very libertine society.  Pretty much always have been irrespective of the beautiful and lofty ideals upon which we were founded.  Mr. Jefferson (The father of the Democractic Party) who wrote so brilliantly about the equality of man never emancipated the hundreds of humans which were his chattle.  So go figure it out and report.

[stiehl]

Unless people stop believing in their superstitious BS, we'll always have to deal with the tards. Muslim/christian, pretty much the same except that christianity doesn't hold absolute power anymore. Reformation, Renaissance, rise of rationalism and scientific thought, all good things for us lliving in the west. The Crusades and Tamerlane probably weren't good occurances to the middle east and their worldview.

[slimm50]

Originally posted by VOR
Ok, now I'm tracking like a Scud!

Ahhh...I love the imagery.

[Yeager]

Im not too sure what to think of Islam but let me tell you, that religion is on my suspected bad guy list.  I doubt that the religion itself us built to kill non believers and rule the world but the fact that so many of its followers behave just that way is troubling.

The rest of you just keep chewing your hands and feet off trying to one-up each other on whos got it right, Ill just keep watching....waiting....as prepared as is possible.

[wrag]

Hmmm.....

The fella that wrote the letters that the woman used in her editorial does not seem to be a friendly to anyone but muslims that believe the way he does kinda fellow.


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Unless people stop believing in their superstitious BS, we'll always have to deal with the tards. Muslim/christian, pretty much the same except that christianity doesn't hold absolute power anymore. Reformation, Renaissance, rise of rationalism and scientific thought, all good things for us lliving in the west. The Crusades and Tamerlane probably weren't good occurances to the middle east and their worldview.//

I don't see it that way.  I don't see christians in America threatening or terrorising people into christianity.  Have I missed something????  Is everyone in America christian?  Don't recall that EVER being the case.

Rationalism?  That technique pretty much always seemed like a way many used thoughtful arguments to try to justify what it was they wanted to do in the 1st place.

Reformation?, Renaissance?, perhaps neither is or was the actual case, perhaps they were only a return more toward what was originally put forth?

Tamerlane?  thought he stayed in the very far east with his conquest?  Thought it was Genghis himself that came to the middle east?  Also thought I read somewhere that without him we could all be speaking Arabic and worshipping Allah.  And that the Crusades (which pretty much struck me as led by individuals seeking their own gain rather then what was actually claimed as the goal) would have never happened.

Hmmm thought I also read that in his law the "Yassa" ?  The very 1st law was not written for the general public to see?   Thought I read that it said .. There is only one God .. ?

Tards?  Known some in my time.  Surprisingly a great many of THEM seemed to be college educated, even

And just as frequently many claim THEIR way was/is the only way, and the rest of us will just have to live with it cause their gonna change it to THEIR way... seems like everytime we turn around THEIR making some new law that only THEY truley understand a need for, that is if THEY really do, BUT we had better adhere to it, or THEIR interpretation of it anyway, or ELSE!

I wonder sometimes just how long it will be before we are told just how much toliet paper we may use, and the direction/method we may use to wipe?

Starting to think of THEM as politically correct tyrants.  Tyrants that insist we not believe, no matter what our life expierence is, in what THEY have decided is superstitious BS.  Never mind that the scientific approach can neither prove nor disprove that superstitious BS.  Never mind that scientific thought is unable to prove or disprove so very many things because they quite simply do not have enough information/knowledge.  I have sometimes wondered at this.  Is this more of an attempt at the glorification of human thought?, Of humanism?  Is it arrogant to think the human mind which is still gropping to understand our universe can prove or disprove the existance of a creator?

Hmm..

What exactly is the difference between the face of Islam types and the PC crowd???  Violence???

[storch]

Originally posted by Yeager
Im not too sure what to think of Islam but let me tell you, that religion is on my suspected bad guy list.  I doubt that the religion itself us built to kill non believers and rule the world but the fact that so many of its followers behave just that way is troubling.

The rest of you just keep chewing your hands and feet off trying to one-up each other on whos got it right, Ill just keep watching....waiting....as prepared as is possible.

You may read it any time in the rambling collection called The Holy Quoran

[stiehl]

Genghis happened after the Crusades. Tamerlane invaded Persia around 1400.

Before 1000 or so the Arabs weren't really all that harsh to nonbelievers(well, compared to some religions) and they had a pretty advanced culture. Afterwards, the Ottomans were able to take control of the region and seemed to of lead it to it's own Dark Age.

Who said that all Americans are christian?? If we were living in a theocracy, do you think that we would be all that different than some of the Muslim nations?

Reformation, Renaissance, rise of rationalism and scientific thought. These things lead people to throw off the shackles of Mother Church. If going against the bible made you a heretic and heretics got roasted, how far would our scientific advances have gone?

People can believe in any superstition they want. When they start trying to control what other people do or crash planes into my front yard, I get somewhat miffed. Why can't you all be Buddhists or something, a nice, quiet belief

[wrag]

Hmmm,...

You are telling me that Genghis Khan came after Tamerlane?  Perhaps I have commited an error?  The name Tamerlane seems to come ofter Genghis in my history?  Thought he inherited a portion of the empire, recall Ogidai ascended to the leadership and shortly after died? Perhaps I have the spelling incorrect?   Wait was the empire divided up among them after Genghis?  But Ogidai was supreme?

Hmmm...

Thought Genghis Khan was Tamerlanes Grandfather?  Thought Tamerlane was the ruler in the area of China?  Wasn't it Tamerlane that tried to invade Japan?  Perhaps I don't remember correctely and need to reread some of my military history.  Don't have, and have not read, as much as I would like.

Thinkin perhaps we have read different renderings of history?

The Ottoman Empire?  They were still around at the start of WWI.  Rather advanced were they not?  Fought the Brits and Aussies at Galippollie?  Think they had  moderen weapons too.  Isn't Turkey somewhat of a remainder of the Ottoman Turks???


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Reformation, Renaissance, rise of rationalism and scientific thought. These things lead people to throw off the shackles of Mother Church. If going against the bible made you a heretic and heretics got roasted, how far would our scientific advances have gone? //

You are refering to the inquisition?

The dark ages affected allot of cultures and seemed a step backward.

They weren't all that hash to jews or christians?  Perhaps again we have read different history.


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People can believe in any superstition they want. When they start trying to control what other people do or crash planes into my front yard, I get somewhat miffed. Why can't you all be Buddhists or something, a nice, quiet belief//

Not sure I care for all that chanting....  

You are claiming christians are trying to control what you do?  In what way?  And crashing planes into your front yard???

As it may have been noticed I have reacted to what I see as the TOO broad a paint brush approach.

To include so many within one statement is abit much in my view.

[storch]

I could be mistaken but IIRC Timur (Tamerlane) c1336-1405 gained the throne of Samarkand.  He attempted to reunite Genghis Khan's empire.  his notably victories were against the Tatars and the Turks, the latter near the end of his life.  He was killed in battle invading China.

[stiehl]

Tamerlane came after Ghengis, started off around samarkand, invaded Persia, Russia, then India. Don't where you came up with "Genghis Khan came after Tamerlane" 'cause I didn't say anything of the sort.

"The Ottoman Empire? They were still around at the start of WWI. Rather advanced were they not? Fought the Brits and Aussies at Galippollie? Think they had moderen weapons too. Isn't Turkey somewhat of a remainder of the Ottoman Turks??? "

You actually thing that the Ottomans were as advanced as the western powers?? Especially society-wise? As advanced as they could have been if they kept progressing like they were in earlier days?

Religious fundies didn't crash planes into buildings a few years ago? They don't try to dictate how people live their lives???

[txmx]

Originally posted by storch
his notably victories were against the Tatars .

I knew it!
So thats who invinted Tarter sauce

[stiehl]

Before we have to open a new thread on Tamerlane, my point was that all that crap most likely changed the way that the Arabs viewed the outer world. If America was invaded several times on that scale(how many people died during the crusades?) how would we change as a people?

How the heck did we to this point anyway?? History lessons from a college dropout:D

There's a thread;      Conquerers of the Old World: Who Kicked the most Arse?

[VOR]

Originally posted by stiehl
There's a thread; Conquerers of the Old World: Who Kicked the most Arse?