Author Topic: Home Defense (Read 1559 times)

Hawklore · « **Reply #15 on:** May 27, 2004, 02:34:28 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
people letting dogs run wild is a good reason to own a handgun too.
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lazs

Only if your the stupid kind of person who dosn't know how to handle dogs, wild, or other.. Just tackle them.... Pin them, and their out unless their truly trying to kill..

lazs2 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 27, 2004, 02:44:44 PM »

I am the stupid kind of person who doesn't know how to handle dogs.. in the field they usually come at you two or three at a time...

even as stupid as I am I am still just smart enough to rememeber how to pull the trigger. I am up to about 5 dead and a couple of gutshot ones career.. The ones that have collars and tags on em I gut shoot so that they can make it back home. Growling and circling me or running straight at me is a bad plan if you want any more happy doggy years of licking your nuts.

The ones that run away when I yell at em are fine. Not much into doggy wrestling tho thank you.

once I used a 16oz claw hammer on a pit bull looking thing that has a kid on a bike by (fortunately) the boot and bike pedal. I would have prefered a gun tho. Very little inclination to wrestle in that case.

lazs

txmx · « **Reply #17 on:** May 27, 2004, 02:47:10 PM »

Shotgun it dont get any simpler than that.

txmx · « **Reply #18 on:** May 27, 2004, 02:48:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Dune
I say go with the pistol. Easier to use in close quarters, less likely to be taken away in a struggle.

A pistol can be turned back on you with less efffort than a shotgun.

stiehl · « **Reply #19 on:** May 27, 2004, 05:18:36 PM »

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Originally posted by capt. apathy
warning shots are great, and should be aimed at the sternum.

Maverick · « **Reply #20 on:** May 27, 2004, 05:46:56 PM »

It is a falacy that you don't have to aim very much with a shotgun. In a close quarters situation you have to aim a shotgun just as much as any other firearm. The pattern simply does not spread to cover a room in just a couple feet, including an open bore. Most shootouts are at less than 21 feet, especially in a home.

A shotgun is clumsier in a building than a handgun and is harder to use up close. It DOES have a higher intimidation factor and depending on where you hit, how many pellets hit and what size load you use may even be remarkably effective. If you are in arms reach you are at severe risk of having the weapon deflected before you can react.

You are best able to use that weapon that you are most comfortable and experianced with. Get some classes and learn the most important thing to know about firearms and defense. When NOT to use one.

Jester · « **Reply #21 on:** May 27, 2004, 06:04:52 PM »

Shotgun

Many folks in a a panic situation when you come face to face with a intruder in your home couldn't hit a barn wall from the inside with a pistol. It takes training an practice to use a pistol properly.

On the other hand - a shotgun, while you can't just point in the same room with them - if you aim it AT THEM most likely you are going to get a hit. While some will try and face down someone with a pistol - very damn few will stand up to the business end of a 12ga full of snarling 00 Buskshot. It also has one HELL of an intimidation factor - nothing like the sound of a shell being jacked home in a pump shotgun - almost everyone knows the sound. The Police will tell you this.

If you do go this way - spring for the extra short barrel (Can't recall the legal length) and keep the other should you want to go hunting with it.

The Remington 12Ga. 3" or 3 1/2" 870 Wingmaster shotgun is one of the best in the world for the price. They give good service, are moderately priced and practically indestructable.

Dune · « **Reply #22 on:** May 27, 2004, 06:06:14 PM »

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Originally posted by txmx
A pistol can be turned back on you with less efffort than a shotgun.

Not true. In a house, turning corners around hallways, and in the dark, being able to hold the pistol close to your body allows you to keep seperation with your off hand and still be able to fire. That's why you don't hold your pistol out in front of you when you turn the corner. Your gun gets there before you do.

Which is one of the problems with a shotgun inisde a house. It's much easier to grab a barrel in a close-in situation and end up wrestling for it.

And what is simpler than a revolver? A good .357 mag is a fine home defense weapon. You can practice with .38's, ammo is cheap and while it doesn't have the knockdown power of a .44 or .45, it is sufficient for the purpose. Especially if there is a chance your wife is going to have to use it. I would rather my wife defend herself with a .22 that she is confident with and can aim straight with than a .44 she's scared of and doesn't like to shoot.

Hawklore · « **Reply #23 on:** May 27, 2004, 06:26:57 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I am the stupid kind of person who doesn't know how to handle dogs.. in the field they usually come at you two or three at a time...

even as stupid as I am I am still just smart enough to rememeber how to pull the trigger. I am up to about 5 dead and a couple of gutshot ones career.. The ones that have collars and tags on em I gut shoot so that they can make it back home. Growling and circling me or running straight at me is a bad plan if you want any more happy doggy years of licking your nuts.

The ones that run away when I yell at em are fine. Not much into doggy wrestling tho thank you.

once I used a 16oz claw hammer on a pit bull looking thing that has a kid on a bike by (fortunately) the boot and bike pedal. I would have prefered a gun tho. Very little inclination to wrestle in that case.

lazs

What the hell are you then?

A Cop and if so I am disgusted by cops who don't know how to handle dogs, anyone that has the remot possibility to run into a dog should know how to handle it.

Don't get me wrong I love cops, the good ones, but when I saw that cop fire 3 shotgun rounds into a pitbull pup that was wagging it's tail, and just jumping out of a car, to find it's owners.

That pisses the **** outta me, and that officer shoulda gotten his badge taken away..

SLO · « **Reply #24 on:** May 27, 2004, 07:18:47 PM »

christ you guys sound like 18th century cowboys.....

Laz....you sound like a scared little boy...what you doing walking around with a gun and shooting dogs....

FYI...we are in 2004....not 1840

capt. apathy · « **Reply #25 on:** May 27, 2004, 07:24:00 PM »

I don't say it's easier to hit your target with a shotgun because of pattern spread. like I mentioned in my first post the patter won't be bigger than a couple inches at in-house distances.

the reason it is easier to hit your target is simply a matter of sight radius.

assuming a point-and-shoot situation (without time to aim) having your grip slightly off can make your shot be off by a foot or more. firing your gun a little too soon while bringing it to bear can make a huge difference in where your round ends up. at 20 feet you can you're aim point can be moved 10-20' with just a flexing of your wrist

but with a shotgun you are holding with both hands, you have to make much more deliberate movements to change your aim point, so without the time to use the sights properly, even a novice could be relatively sure to hit a man sized target at <20'.

you do have a greater chance having a wrestling match for the gun though. no way around that, all an attacker has to do is deflect your barrel long enough to step in close and your shotgun is just an expensive club. I guess the trick would be to shoot them before they get that close.

beet1e · « **Reply #26 on:** May 27, 2004, 08:11:04 PM »

LOL - sounds like you have some horrendous crooks in USA.

I just lock the doors at night. Mr. Chubb makes exceedingly good locks - keeping my family safe these past 100+ years.

Hawklore · « **Reply #27 on:** May 27, 2004, 10:05:51 PM »

LOL We only lock our doors too, and we have dogs, dad just wants a shotgun because of recent events with the people our neighbors have injuctions against..

Jester · « **Reply #28 on:** May 27, 2004, 11:17:50 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
LOL - sounds like you have some horrendous crooks in USA.

I just lock the doors at night. Mr. Chubb makes exceedingly good locks - keeping my family safe these past 100+ years.

Nope, actually it is pretty slim in my part of the Country - for the exact reasons stated above.

Most crooks know that if they break in a house around here they take a REAL GOOD chance of getting something vitally importaint shot off. Does wonders for the crime rate.

BTY: All a door lock will do is keep an honest man honest. If someone wants in bad enough it won't even slow them down. Your not in Mayberry any more.

Leslie · « **Reply #29 on:** May 27, 2004, 11:56:40 PM »

To me, the double barrel 12 gauge is good for home defense. You have a choice of different loads, which can be mixed or matched, and you decide which barrel to use first, or both at the same time if need be. I've heard of old geezers who use rock salt loads. I guess that's so they have no hesitation to shoot intruders, because they know it won't kill them. Only sting their hide a bit. Double barrel works best outdoors.

Pump stotguns make an intimidating sound when they rack. Most sane people will run at that sound. One time I was up late at night, and heard what sounded like the neighbors racking up pumps, and I hit the deck on my floor.

Turns out they were using a jack on their car to fix a flat tire.

It's usually so quiet around here, that that was a very unusual sound for 4 A.M..

What's the deal with the neighbors Hawklore? Are they neighborhood thieves and neer-do-wells? Is it a situation the police can take care of?

Les

Les