Author Topic: Anti-Bush Propaganda or the Ugly Truth? (Read 1167 times)

rpm · « **on:** June 02, 2004, 01:00:49 AM »

OK NeoCons, lets see you spin THIS CBS REPORT.

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Jun 1, 2004 8:07 pm US/Central
LOS ANGELES (CBS) When a forest fire shut down a major transmission line into California, cutting power supplies and raising prices, Enron energy traders celebrated, CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales reports.

"Burn, baby, burn. That's a beautiful thing," a trader sang about the massive fire.

Four years after California's disastrous experiment with energy deregulation, Enron energy traders can be heard – on audiotapes obtained by CBS News – gloating and praising each other as they helped bring on, and cash-in on, the Western power crisis.

"He just f---s California," says one Enron employee. "He steals money from California to the tune of about a million."

"Will you rephrase that?" asks a second employee.

"OK, he, um, he arbitrages the California market to the tune of a million bucks or two a day," replies the first.

The tapes, from Enron's West Coast trading desk, also confirm what CBS reported years ago: that in secret deals with power producers, traders deliberately drove up prices by ordering power plants shut down.

"If you took down the steamer, how long would it take to get it back up?" an Enron worker is heard saying.

"Oh, it's not something you want to just be turning on and off every hour. Let's put it that way," another says.

"Well, why don't you just go ahead and shut her down."

Officials with the Snohomish Public Utility District near Seattle received the tapes from the Justice Department.

"This is the evidence we've all been waiting for. This proves they manipulated the market," said Eric Christensen, a spokesman for the utility.

That utility, like many others, is trying to get its money back from Enron.

"They're f------g taking all the money back from you guys?" complains an Enron employee on the tapes. "All the money you guys stole from those poor grandmothers in California?"

"Yeah, grandma Millie, man"

"Yeah, now she wants her f------g money back for all the power you've charged right up, jammed right up her a------ for f------g $250 a megawatt hour."

And the tapes appear to link top Enron officials Ken Lay and Jeffrey Skilling to schemes that fueled the crisis.

"Government Affairs has to prove how valuable it is to Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling," says one trader.

"Ok."

"Do you know when you started over-scheduling load and making buckets of money on that?

Before the 2000 election, Enron employees pondered the possibilities of a Bush win.

"It'd be great. I'd love to see Ken Lay Secretary of Energy," says one Enron worker.

That didn't happen, but they were sure President Bush would fight any limits on sky-high energy prices.

"When this election comes Bush will f------g whack this s--t, man. He won't play this price-cap b------t."

Crude, but true.

"We will not take any action that makes California's problems worse and that's why I oppose price caps," said Mr. Bush on May 29, 2001.

Both the Justice Department and Enron tried to prevent the release of these tapes. Enron's lawyers argued they merely prove "that people at Enron sometimes talked like Barnacle Bill the Sailor."

Tell me again that Bush is not selling out America.
Please, Pass me the Ketchup!

SOB · « **Reply #1 on:** June 02, 2004, 01:07:35 AM »

So, because he opposed price caps he was in cahoots with the Enron sweetheart bags? It may have been a stupid stance to take, but he could have taken it for any number of reasons. Regardless, California ****ed themselves in the ass, which is something they're prone to do on a regular basis.

Pongo · « **Reply #2 on:** June 02, 2004, 01:11:28 AM »

What would you accept as proof?
Massive campaign contibutions?
Seats on Chaneys secret energy commision?

SOB · « **Reply #3 on:** June 02, 2004, 01:15:34 AM »

Do you think that was proof? I'm just commenting on the article that was posted. Post others if you have them, I don't mind reading them. Not that it really matters though, I didn't vote for him this time, and I certainly won't in November. I already believe he'd drop the nation's pants and make us bend over for big business.

rpm · « **Reply #4 on:** June 02, 2004, 01:15:43 AM »

The connection between Bush and Lay is a well known fact.

SOB · « **Reply #5 on:** June 02, 2004, 01:26:00 AM »

I don't know if that's proof of a conspiracy, but like I said, I'd be more apt to believe it than not. And dayum, this is boring, I guess all the Bush lovers have said their prayers and are dreaming of moonlit walks on the beach with Dubbya.

rpm · « **Reply #6 on:** June 02, 2004, 01:29:30 AM »

Yeager · « **Reply #7 on:** June 02, 2004, 02:16:14 AM »

but like I said, I'd be more apt to believe it than not.
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So Bush is involved in how many liberal conspiracies to take over the world and force a one world government on all the ignorant masses?

Im thinking there must be at least half a dozen different liberal freak outs about Bush and the 'vast right wing conspiracy'. No doubt if someone had nothing better to do and could get paid doing it, they could uncover 30-40 conspiracies trumped around the commie left wing press giving Bush credit for everything from UFOs to Bigfoot and no doubt Lacy Peterson's murder to boot.

Jeeze and I thought the right wing freak outs were out of control with vince foster and the clinton rapes.......same old same old.

Dune · « **Reply #8 on:** June 02, 2004, 02:20:03 AM »

And if you think that Kerry wouldn't sell us out, you're crazy. Every politician is willing to sell us out for something. Be it trade with the Chinese, US energy business', some enviro crusade, etc.

SOB · « **Reply #9 on:** June 02, 2004, 02:39:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
but like I said, I'd be more apt to believe it than not.
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So Bush is involved in how many liberal conspiracies to take over the world and force a one world government on all the ignorant masses?

Im thinking there must be at least half a dozen different liberal freak outs about Bush and the 'vast right wing conspiracy'. No doubt if someone had nothing better to do and could get paid doing it, they could uncover 30-40 conspiracies trumped around the commie left wing press giving Bush credit for everything from UFOs to Bigfoot and no doubt Lacy Peterson's murder to boot.

Jeeze and I thought the right wing freak outs were out of control with vince foster and the clinton rapes.......same old same old.

What the hell are you babbling about? I really don't care what the "liberal freaks" think of Bush. I was commenting on one issue. I'm sorry if you've got a bug up your bellybutton about something, but it's really got nothing to do with me.

SOB · « **Reply #10 on:** June 02, 2004, 02:44:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Dune
And if you think that Kerry wouldn't sell us out, you're crazy. Every politician is willing to sell us out for something. Be it trade with the Chinese, US energy business', some enviro crusade, etc.

Kerry's running neck and neck with Bush and Nader as people I would least like to vote for.

oboe · « **Reply #11 on:** June 02, 2004, 07:05:10 AM »

Who would you like to vote for, SOB, if you don't mind my asking?

BTW I'm not sure I like that way that sheep in your avatar is looking at me....

Eagler · « **Reply #12 on:** June 02, 2004, 07:21:22 AM »

bush are evil!!
or is it the ppl telling boosh what to do is eval and bush is good but two stoopiad too knew who are doen what?

If I get to choose fropm the title of this thread, I select "A":
more retarded lefty "Anti-Bush Propaganda"

Gunslinger · « **Reply #13 on:** June 02, 2004, 08:07:19 AM »

wow aint democracy grand.....califonians voted.....they got what they wanted....and enron stuck it to them. Maybe they need to get off their greenpeace high horse and build some powerplants!

lazs2 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 02, 2004, 08:16:12 AM »

the lefty girls are starting to sound shrill eh?

lazs