Author Topic: Anti-Bush Propaganda or the Ugly Truth? (Read 1089 times)

Eagler · « **Reply #45 on:** June 02, 2004, 03:10:17 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm371
Nice try at slander. Stick to the facts.

I believe I am...

If you had nasty new prison photos, this lame attempt to slam the POTUS & his admin would never of been posted...

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #46 on:** June 02, 2004, 03:11:17 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm371
No need to apologuise, I understand the confusion. I was just showing 2 different sources for the long standing Bush / Lay relationship. They are more than just casual aquaintences. You know how people want you to back up things with facts and links in here.

Do you think that Bill Gates or Paul Allen do not have relationships with the Governer of Washington? Or many other governers for that matter?

If you believe that relationships exist are you going to hold those officials responsible for the next worm exploitable hole in Windows?

I guess I will need to be more clear with my sarcasm in the future.

rpm · « **Reply #47 on:** June 02, 2004, 04:30:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
I believe I am...

If you had nasty new prison photos, this lame attempt to slam the POTUS & his admin would never of been posted...

Sorry Eagler, but your lame attempt to make me out as Anti-American only serves to show your position as a NeoCon and nothing more. Back in the 50's it was called McCarthyism.

rpm · « **Reply #48 on:** June 02, 2004, 04:45:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I guess I will need to be more clear with my sarcasm in the future.

As I with mine.

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You know how people want you to back up things with facts and links in here.

I understand government and business work together, they always have. But, if government conspires with business to defraud the public, that is unethical and illegal and that is the point. If he did nothing, then he has nothing to hide.

We know Enron is dirty. We know Lay had close ties to Bush. If it can be proven Bush used his influence to assist Enron in the fraud, as is alleged in the recordings, that is the problem. Only an investigation can determine that.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #49 on:** June 02, 2004, 06:22:28 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm371
If it can be proven Bush used his influence to assist Enron in the fraud, as is alleged in the recordings, that is the problem. Only an investigation can determine that.

It is not alleged in the recordings according to your links:

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From your CBS link: And the tapes appear to link top Enron officials Ken Lay and Jeffrey Skilling to schemes that fueled the crisis.

No link other than a couple of traders saying Bush would not favor price caps. A reasonable guess at the time from relatively low level employees who had no access to the goings on in the board room.

The other link you give points out the unprecedented revelation that a Texas Governer would be aquainted with energy company executives.

rpm · « **Reply #50 on:** June 02, 2004, 07:20:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
It is not alleged in the recordings according to your links.

Yes, it is. It gives the impression that it was widely known Bush would act according to Enron's wishes. Did they say directly "Bush is going to help us commit fraud."? No, they did not. It merits an investigation. They have been done for much less.

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No link other than a couple of traders saying Bush would not favor price caps. A reasonable guess at the time from relatively low level employees who had no access to the goings on in the board room.

Apparently the Enron janitorial staff had the authority to shut down power plants.

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The other link you give points out the unprecedented revelation that a Texas Governer would be aquainted with energy company executives.

Was there was any communications or meetings taking place between these 2 relative strangers who barely knew each other? Did they discuss commiting a fraud? Is George W. Bush an innocent man that naively stumbled into Lay's evil plan? Only 1 way to find out...investigate. Why wouldn't you welcome it? This would exonerate him completely of the whole Enron mess! He's got nothing to hide, or be ashamed of does he?

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #51 on:** June 02, 2004, 08:00:51 PM »

Who says I do not welcome an investigation?

It just seems that you are coming from a position that is much like a scientist who collects only the data which supports a preconceived theory.

One of those theories is that the conversation between to floor traders shows that the Governer of a state is probably complicit in the fraud of millions of Enron customers. Floor traders are not employees at the highest policy making levels of the company, regardless of your rolleyes emoticon.

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Yes, it is. It gives the impression that it was widely known Bush would act according to Enron's wishes.

No it doesn't. It proves nothing more than if you and I had a discussion about whether Governor Arnold would have a favorable policy toward the California movie industry, and is therforre personally responsible for Gigli.

rpm · « **Reply #52 on:** June 02, 2004, 08:43:03 PM »

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It proves nothing more than if you and I had a discussion about whether Governor Arnold would have a favorable policy toward the California movie industry, and is therforre personally responsible for Gigli.

While Ah-noldt had absolutely nothing to do with Gigli, you can not deny his involvement in "Last Action Hero" and "Hercules in New York".

Tumor · « **Reply #53 on:** June 02, 2004, 09:42:08 PM »

Keep reachin Libby's... the entertainment value of your crazy arnold ideas alone is enough to keep me coming back

Sandman · « **Reply #54 on:** June 02, 2004, 09:44:31 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm371
Nice try at slander. Stick to the facts.

Ahem...

Slander is spoken. Libel is written.