Author Topic: MS Flight Simulator (Read 1291 times)

Wolfala · « **Reply #15 on:** June 04, 2004, 02:48:13 PM »

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Fishu · « **Reply #16 on:** June 04, 2004, 02:54:59 PM »

Of X-plane and FS9, X-plane does surely have better flight models etc.
Problem with X-plane however is lack of addons etc., which why most people tend to fly FS2002 / FS2004

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One gripe I have with MS Flight Sim 2004 is how easy it is to stress business and commercial jets. Can't do max throttle very long or aircraft is "overstressed."

Are business and commercial jets really that fragile? Seems like can do max throttle only for climb, and then have to throttle back to cruise.

Yes, real jets do have speed limits and those values are put into aircraft flight model flights.
You aren't supposed to fly commercial jets at full throttle on cruise - not even when climbing.
Big factor in this is engine wear and fuel efficiency.
These commercial jets aren't really made for super sonic flight, but for comfty cruise somewhere around 0.75-0.9 mach.
Too fast and you'll be wearing out the engines and then the structure.
Passengers wouldn't be too comfortable at high speeds with non super sonic jet

Chairboy · « **Reply #17 on:** June 04, 2004, 05:07:37 PM »

I've read that a 747-400 was pushed past mach 1 in level flight by Boeing engineers on purpose once, can anyone corrobarate this? I understand that the plane couldn't safely fly like that for long, but the point was that the 747-400 has enough raw horsepower that it could make the push.

B17Skull12 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 04, 2004, 05:40:05 PM »

wolf no offense but to me a exvatsimmer easysky seems. well a bit to funky on the system for me.

Fishu · « **Reply #19 on:** June 04, 2004, 05:43:44 PM »

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I've read that a 747-400 was pushed past mach 1 in level flight by Boeing engineers on purpose once, can anyone corrobarate this? I understand that the plane couldn't safely fly like that for long, but the point was that the 747-400 has enough raw horsepower that it could make the push.

Many planes do have enough power to make it

Replicant · « **Reply #20 on:** June 04, 2004, 05:57:25 PM »

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Fun things to do in X-Plane:

Take an F-35 JSF, Marine version at LAX, and do vertical take off. Hover on the thrust, then transition to forward flight, then transition back to hover over downtown LA and land on a helipad without falling off the building into traffic.

Had a go on a real JSF flight simulator last week! Very, very cool! Shot two aircraft down and managed a vertical land!

Halo · « **Reply #21 on:** June 04, 2004, 08:17:47 PM »

Tonight managed my most spectacular flight sim achievement in X-Plane. I landed a Mig-29 upside down. Then, upside down, I maxed the throttles for takeoff, flew it through the hangar fence, across a field, and into the water where as speed picked up it totally submerged, then peeked through the surface, and finally broke free enough I could turn it right side up and head for the stars.

I know the Mig-29 is rated tough and manueverable, but I didn't realize it was that good!

Chairboy · « **Reply #22 on:** June 04, 2004, 08:55:28 PM »

What version do you have? 7.41 is the latest official release.

Halo · « **Reply #23 on:** June 04, 2004, 09:27:32 PM »

I have 7.30, Chairboy. Just ordered 7.41 tonight (X-Plane download is massive and slow, so I'm settling for a disk in the mail).

Chairboy · « **Reply #24 on:** June 04, 2004, 09:59:33 PM »

I think they have an incremental update to go from your version to 7.41 without having to do the whole big download. Did you check for the mini-update? They're about to release a new one.

Halo · « **Reply #25 on:** June 05, 2004, 12:00:28 PM »

Chairboy, how did you get an incremental download for X-Plane? The only option I find is the whole 140 MB for whole thing AND upgrade. Seems awfully cumbersome and wasteful to me when all I need is a comparatively brief upgrade from 7.30 to 7.41.

I like X-Plane, but to me this is typical of its quirkyness. I have a fast cable connection, but X-Plane downloads only at a primitive 10 KB or so. There is some add-on extra cost speedier download option that provides additional complication, frustration, and cost.

For all its supposed technical genius, I think X-Plane could greatly increase its appeal if it integrated a faster and simpler download process.

So I'm out another ten bucks for a disk upgrade that should have been available as a no-cost simple high speed on line upgrade taking only a couple minutes. That kind of logic eludes me.

Makes you really appreciate the genius of HiTech and Co. with its great product, fast service, and bonuses like this unequalled bulletin board.

Chairboy · « **Reply #26 on:** June 05, 2004, 02:38:49 PM »

Hmm, I guess the incremental updates are just for people in beta test, sorry.

If you have a fast connection, why not use the BitTorrent option? It's usually a lot faster because it's a distributed download system. They have links on the same page as the normal downloads, just below.

(edit) BTW, when doing the BitTorrent, it starts slow but gets faster the longer it runs. My transfer started at 2K/S and within two minutes is now at 98KB a second and rising.

Halo · « **Reply #27 on:** June 05, 2004, 07:01:21 PM »

Yeah, I guess I should do the BitTorrent. I think I did it once before. I got put off this time by the demand for a donation for something that ought to be bundled in the X-Plane software.

And, I get tired of messing with such tedious admin support for what is heralded as such a brilliant flight sim, e.g., the upgrade should have been an easy separate download the way Aces High works.

If X-Plane is so brilliant, why do common folk have to work so hard to get it? I guess it's some sort of initiation. Doesn't seem like the best way to optimize appeal and profits.

MSFS 2004 can be similarly vexing, although not as much as X-Plane. Hate to admit I finally succumbed to the main add-on site blackmail of $18 a year to get expedited download access worthy of cable connection instead of phone modem.

Kinda feel as if I've just been mugged in both simulations. No wonder many average customers appreciate Microsoft's increasing bundling of integrated seamless features instead of making people chase all over and pay more separately for independent augmentation that may or may not work as well together.

Estel · « **Reply #28 on:** June 06, 2004, 10:58:17 AM »

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Chairboy · « **Reply #29 on:** June 06, 2004, 11:21:48 AM »

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Yeah, I guess I should do the BitTorrent. I think I did it once before. I got put off this time by the demand for a donation for something that ought to be bundled in the X-Plane software.

And, I get tired of messing with such tedious admin support for what is heralded as such a brilliant flight sim, e.g., the upgrade should have been an easy separate download the way Aces High works.

If X-Plane is so brilliant, why do common folk have to work so hard to get it? I guess it's some sort of initiation. Doesn't seem like the best way to optimize appeal and profits.

MSFS 2004 can be similarly vexing, although not as much as X-Plane. Hate to admit I finally succumbed to the main add-on site blackmail of $18 a year to get expedited download access worthy of cable connection instead of phone modem.

Kinda feel as if I've just been mugged in both simulations. No wonder many average customers appreciate Microsoft's increasing bundling of integrated seamless features instead of making people chase all over and pay more separately for independent augmentation that may or may not work as well together.

What in blue blazes are you talking about? You don't have to pay more seperately for anything, not unless you REALLY want to. I've gotten all my X-Plane updates for free, no hassle.

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