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Offline Batz

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« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2004, 03:02:11 AM »
You can fly that way now in an arena of 100 or less, with an arena with 500 players you won’t be leisurely cruising about especially on the smaller maps where the fronts are compact.

With the fuel mod at 2 you will see more p51s and p38s because for the most part they can run at full power as long as they wish.

This even more a reason to perk the late war US plane set. More fun, less run....

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« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2004, 03:02:34 AM »
TimRas,

True, but you rarely get to cruise home as there are generally angry people after you at that point.  You need to save enough fuel to fly home at MIL power.

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« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2004, 03:42:22 AM »
Even the max. cruise speed of La-7 is pretty high, about the same as max. OTD speed of Spit IX or N1K. But yes, FBM 2.0 likely will reduce the numbers of La-7's in MA.

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« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2004, 01:46:50 PM »
If the present MP model is retained then you are best climbinmg to 17 K where you can get more pressure / throttle.......(dont ask me why.......I am not sure [read doubt] if its right).

You can then settle down and cruise for may be a sector (unless you have climbed out toward the combat zone.....this depends on dar etc)


Todate any thing I have met OTW to another base (AH2) has been higher than me......... this is OK it just means that it is not a quick bounce type attack.................. its a game of chess drawing my opponent to a Co- e state.


This usually means that combat takes some time........ if my opponent suddenly gets "help" (also high) I need an exit strategy.

This is not just a MIl power exit this is full blown WEP....infact often I am saving engine temp to ensure that I have enough........

so now I have to save fuel too.....I dont have a problem with this its a vaild model restriction............  FBM2 is not however....its artificially penalises some AC whilst (by comparison) enhancing others.

Even at 1.00 the Lavochkins will not be as popular as they are in the AH1 MA now (IMO).............. fuel will still burn quicker at Mil power etc.

So the question in my mind is.......... Is FBM now being used to enhance/re balance/adjust /modify  player choices and behaviour?

I dont think that is the intent and yet I wonder at an adjustment that makes a long range escort fighter the optimum battle zone air superiority fighter because it actually has enough fuel to climb,ingress to zone, and PATROL prior to multiple combat and egress.

Where as the historically ideal battle zone air superiority fighter is not suitable whilst this adjustment is in place..............


if madox were to make such an adjustment.............
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« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2004, 02:59:34 PM »
MA is not an historic MA, production numbers or any other historic stuff should not count as perking factors.

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« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2004, 04:16:05 PM »
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Now there's a recipe for disaster.


wall to wall temps

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« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2004, 06:47:04 PM »
Wall to wall whatever -- that too shall pass, and the righteous shall find worthy steeds and prevail as the dweebs and newbies rejoice in their cornucopia, and verily, as the carnage ebbs and flows, they shall say It Is Good and we shall gladly pay our $14.95 all the months of our lives.
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« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2004, 09:26:29 PM »
GODO, I agree.  There seems to be little connection anyway between the production run and whether it's a perk plane or not.  A main basis I believe of the whole "perk" plane concept was to balance the MA if one plane was seemingly being used in a much greater proportion to the other planes.  The F4U-C falls into this category.  But, it was also I believe intended to be for those very high performance aircraft that one could purchase as a "reward" for scoring points.  The ME262 and Tempest (and others) fall into this categories.   However, judging from the high usage of the La7 in the MA and it's superior performance to some of the aircraft already perked to me it seems the La7 should be perked as well if only to small degree like the F4U-C.

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« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2004, 11:51:21 PM »
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wall to wall temps


Nah, 66% 262s, with Temps, F4U-4s, Spit XIVs and the occasional La-7, P-51D or Fw190D-9 making up the rest.
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« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2004, 11:10:35 PM »
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A well flown (ok, masterfully flown) P47D-11 or F4U-1 can handle any of the aforementioned rides.

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« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2004, 06:10:23 AM »
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But, it was also I believe intended to be for those very high performance aircraft that one could purchase as a "reward" for scoring points.


A dynamic perk system based on usage will, more than problably, end with the overally best performing planes being perked most of the time.

There are those "reward" planes, like 262, that should remain always perked, but some others should be included in a perk-per-usage basis. Probably, this way La7 would keep perked 5 days out of 7, who knows ...

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« Reply #41 on: June 07, 2004, 08:10:18 AM »
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A well flown (ok, masterfully flown) P47D-11 or F4U-1 can handle any of the aforementioned rides.

and John rambo can shoot down any 262 with his hand held M60 too!

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« Reply #42 on: June 11, 2004, 11:02:50 PM »
Ok, the LaLa has power to burn -- but its 3 cannons have unreliable mounts and/or ballistics. The effective firing range makes the plane less deadly in the air than it looks on paper. That alone should pull it out of perk range, compared with all round planes like the pony and low end perk planes like the f4u1c
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« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2004, 12:23:36 PM »
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Typos are typos…

but I meant what I said, US planes run. They all suck and are boring to fight (with few exceptions).

Those late war planes in which the p38l (they mostly run into the ground on suicide pork and auger “mishuns”) is one (it saw service about the same time as the d9 for instance) and should be perked.

Planes like the la7 etc... are fun to fight. In AH2 with just 21 min of fuel they can’t run far even if they wanted to.



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« Reply #44 on: June 12, 2004, 03:29:55 PM »
It's the pilot who runs not the plane.  If you want less running then stop whining and start training folks to fly their planes to the limit.  Then and only then will you see less running.  If it's a one on one then you should see very little running.  Majority of the time they should be extending enough to allow for another merge and thats it.  When it comes to 2 on 1 or more then yes sometimes extending a bit farther is needed.  Only airframes with clear advantages in multiple areas should be perked.  Stop whining and start training.