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Offline joeblogs

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boost ata & inches mercury
« on: June 04, 2004, 08:16:58 AM »
I saw this in a thread a while back and didn't write it down.

Just so I have all the permutations straight, can someone translate the following measures of pressure into each other? I just need the formulas.

atmosphere
ata
inches mercury
boost

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Offline HoHun

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Re: boost ata & inches mercury
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2004, 01:24:35 PM »
Hi Blogs,

>Just so I have all the permutations straight, can someone translate the following measures of pressure into each other? I just need the formulas.

Proper conversions of course have to be done via the international system.

The international unit of pressure is 1 Pa = 1 N / m^2.

1 ata = 98.0665 kPa
1 psi = 6.89476 kPa
1 mm Hg = 133.322 Pa
1 in Hg = 3.3863788 kPa

Since psi are often provided as pressure relative to the standard atmosphere, for a correct conversion you need to add/subtract the standard sea level atmospheric pressure:

P = 101.325 kPa

(Note the difference to the technical atmosphere ata is based on.)

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Henning (HoHun)

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Re: Re: boost ata & inches mercury
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2004, 03:07:56 PM »
Hohun, thanks

I didn't get the last part about conversions with respect to sea level pressure. When do I need to do this (just when comparing to ata?) and when don't I?

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Originally posted by HoHun
Hi Blogs,

>Just so I have all the permutations straight, can someone translate the following measures of pressure into each other? I just need the formulas.

Proper conversions of course have to be done via the international system.

The international unit of pressure is 1 Pa = 1 N / m^2.

1 ata = 98.0665 kPa
1 psi = 6.89476 kPa
1 mm Hg = 133.322 Pa
1 in Hg = 3.3863788 kPa

Since psi are often provided as pressure relative to the standard atmosphere, for a correct conversion you need to add/subtract the standard sea level atmospheric pressure:

P = 101.325 kPa

(Note the difference to the technical atmosphere ata is based on.)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Offline HoHun

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Re: Re: Re: boost ata & inches mercury
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2004, 03:29:24 PM »
Hi Blogs,

>I didn't get the last part about conversions with respect to sea level pressure. When do I need to do this (just when comparing to ata?) and when don't I?

It depends on the boost indicator.

If the airplane is parked with the engine off at sea level in a standard atmosphere and the boost indicator reads zero, you have to add sea level pressure to get true pressure. British instruments work like that. I think Japanese do, too.

American, Russian and German instruments usually provide absolute pressure (the second "a" in "ata") and indicate correct ambient pressure when sitting on the ground with engine off.

With standard sea level pressure being P0 and indicator reading Pi, you'd have the following conversion to SI units:

For psi:

P = Pi *C(psi) + P0

For Japanese instruments and mm Hg:

P = Pi * C(mm Hg) + P0

For Soviet instruments and mm Hg:

P = Pi * C(mm Hg)

It can be tricky at times to find out whether adding P0 is required or not if you don't have good documentation on the aircraft.

The German practice of using ata for absolute and atü for relative pressure provided good clarity there - one of the few cases in which I can say something good about non-SI units :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

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Re: Re: Re: Re: boost ata & inches mercury
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2004, 03:48:16 PM »
Thanks, this is exactly what I needed.

-Blogs

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Hi Blogs,

>I didn't get the last part about conversions with respect to sea level pressure. When do I need to do this (just when comparing to ata?) and when don't I?

It depends on the boost indicator.

If the airplane is parked with the engine off at sea level in a standard atmosphere and the boost indicator reads zero, you have to add sea level pressure to get true pressure. British instruments work like that. I think Japanese do, too.

American, Russian and German instruments usually provide absolute pressure (the second "a" in "ata") and indicate correct ambient pressure when sitting on the ground with engine off.

With standard sea level pressure being P0 and indicator reading Pi, you'd have the following conversion to SI units:

For psi:

P = Pi *C(psi) + P0

For Japanese instruments and mm Hg:

P = Pi * C(mm Hg) + P0

For Soviet instruments and mm Hg:

P = Pi * C(mm Hg)

It can be tricky at times to find out whether adding P0 is required or not if you don't have good documentation on the aircraft.

The German practice of using ata for absolute and atü for relative pressure provided good clarity there - one of the few cases in which I can say something good about non-SI units :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)