Some stats for version .44 patch1

[Sorrow[S=A]]

Well here are some initial stats for non US planes in .44, I haven't done Nik2 yet if someone wants to add it go ahead.

Notes:
Climb tests were done by descending to 100 ft abv sealevel and auto at the speed autospeed was set at.
No ordinance was used on planes for any tests.
No WEP was used.
Spitfire had 4x302 2x20mm
G10 had 30mm
.205 had 2x20mm 2x12mm
Full fuel was used on all planes
1 pass was done on each 10 mph speed 130 to 180 to determine best climb speed 3 passes were done at that speed to verify times.
I am just the messenger...

La-5
5k 1:16
10k 2:44 5-10 1:28
15k 4:19 10-15 1:35
20k 6:10 15-20 1:41
25k 8:39 20-25 2:39
Overstress starts 500 IAS 625 1st damage
650 wings lost

.205**
5k 1:21
10k 2:55 5-10 1:34
15k 4:33 10-15 1:38
20k 6:15 15-20 1:42
25k 8:07 20-25 1:52
650 IAS minor damage 695 Wings removed

Spitfire
5k 1:15
10k 2:36 5-10 1:11
15k 3:57 10-15 1:21
20k 5:32 15-20 1:35
25k 7:18 20-25 1:46

Me 109G10**
5k 1:17
10k 2:47 5-10 1:30
15k 4:26 10-15 1:39
20k 6:14 1:48
25k 8:35***  2:21

** Both these planes refused to accept a .speed below 150, I think this punished their results. They also both displayed a "swaying" motion where they would pitch up and down gently going from 4k fpm to as low as 2900 at low altitudes. as climb speed increased oscillation decreased.

*** Me109 displayed a very violent leftward roll after 20k under full military power. this delayed the climb as the plane was moving upwards at an angle.

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If your in range, so is the enemy.

[gatt]

Sorrow,
at what alt did you make your stress tests? You know theres a huge difference in dives from 30K to 20K or from 15K to 5K. At medium low alts, max allowed speed is highly reduced due to air density.

[Sorrow[S=A]]

for all the planes to get to 600 + IAS took a dive almost vertical from 25k. For the La-5 I had to go to 30k before I could get the wings to unglue. None of the stress tests were from G force merely windspeed. Spitfire was unmeasurable as it's airspeed indicator does not go high enough to measure where damage occurs.

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If your in range, so is the enemy.

[juzz]

You know, there really is no way to get concrete data on overspeed limits for these planes, since any pilot who exceeded them was obviously killed. Dead men tell no tales...

Realistically, the prop should fry itself before the wings rip off in some of these planes - after all that's what happened to Martindale when he dived to Mach 0.9 in a Spitfire, twice I think.

Testing G-limits should be much more checkable I imagine - except for them 5 G blackouts...

[Hristo]

What a mess. Spit outclimbs all those planes by far. And yet, those numbers seem right for it, only G-10 is a slow climber in 0.44. Is La slow climber too in this version, or was it so historically ? If Macchi performs as it should, does it benefit unfair advantage in this version, since other planes lost their climb ?

OK, who can offer explanations plane by plane ?

What a mess...  

[Sorrow[S=A]]

I believe the La-5 should climb just slightly less than the G10 up to 15k where the G10 would quickly outpace it. And I agree, what a mess.

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If your in range, so is the enemy.

[gatt]

Hristo,
from what I understand FM's will be modified again and again. I do not expect that C.205 climb performance, despite correct, will remain the same all the time. I saw 109G climb rate ranging form 2,900 to 4,000ft/min from 0.40 to 0.44.
We will see a lot of changes in the next weeks. I'm sure. The G10 cant fight this way.

The Macchi is a 1943 fighters, a low performer compared to other AH kites, but still should be a very good climber, better than the Pony, the Fw190A8, the Hog and the N1K2. After 1943 speed, range and firepower were the critical factors in fighters performance, tho.
A 109F4 can easily outclimb and out turn a Pony but if the Pony pilot has good SA, the 109 pilot is a dead man.

[Fishu]

Joy... Bf109G10 still climbs slower than uber UFO spitfrie from brand W

[Hristo]

Tnx for reply, Gatt. I am glad to see Macchi got more competitive. In fact, I witnessed it in the arena. No more mistakes against Macchi  

Also, new thing in arena are extremly high Spits. About 80% of Spits I encountered were higher or much higher than me. Now I imagine flying 109G-10 as a weight training. Once the weights are removed...well, we will see !

[gatt]

Uhmmm,
I dont love Spitfire, better I hate them, but WarBirds Spitfire IXe takes about 6 minutes to get to 20K, 100% fuel, 160Mph IAS.
She has the right performance of a 1942, early '43 Merlin61 kite (despite her late war armament). But I may be wrong, I'm not a Spit buff ...  
Anyway, IMHO, I think that the 0.441 AH Spit has the right performance (for Merlin66 kite). It is the G-10 that must be tuned again ... please more horsepower ...  

 

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[juzz]

All those figures are better than I can attain with 0.44 Patch 1. My Spit 9 is on the money for a F.IX, 6 minutes to 20k... uhhh, above that the numbers don't match any more, the AH Spitfire becomes quicker than it "should" be.

The G-10 still sucks  

And I wish they would fix the phoney aileron trim problems... the Spitfire and Bf109 didn't even have adjustable aileron trim!

[This message has been edited by juzz (edited 01-05-2000).]

[Hristo]

Agreed, the problem is in G-10 and other underperformers, not the Spit.

Late war G-10 was a trade off, more weight for more power. It got weight, but was cheated in the power department in AH  

But what about WEP performances ? Are they correct as well ? G-10 has so much torque when in WEP, it is scary. Can't do a simple Immelmann without 2000 invisible hp kicking me out of it. In short, weight and torque are with us, the performance lacks.

[leonid]

Thanks, squaddie  

It looks like Pyro is slowly tweaking the FM, seeing what does what.  Little 'bumps' are still popping up, but now, instead of one plane being at performance (Spit in 0.43), there are at least three that can be seen here: La5, C.205 and Spit F.IX.  So, the work continues ...

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leonid, aka grisha
129 IAP VVS RKKA

[juzz]

As far as I can tell, WEP produces the same performance it always has for the G-10. Except that you can't fly level with it on most of the time.  

[Sorrow[S=A]]

Juzz I double checked, my stats on the spit are correct, 5'32 to 20k +/- .5 seconds.
If you can't get it there that fast i am not going to blab here how, maybe others can't either  
(The trick is to be .speed 130 for the whole climb, spit does no leave 4k sustained until into 17k range)

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If your in range, so is the enemy.