Author Topic: Request favour - ANZAC Skins (Read 1373 times)

MachNix · « **Reply #15 on:** June 08, 2004, 05:01:20 PM »

The skin has limitations and this is the best I can do. You will have to decide if a backwards "P" and Southern Cross is acceptable on one side. If it is, maybe HT could take a look and see if this P-51K skin is worth closer inspection before I go to the trouble of submitting it.

MachNix

Redd · « **Reply #16 on:** June 08, 2004, 06:38:47 PM »

damn that was quick machnix

let me do some work on that model designation to see if i can find one that would mirror

What other issues does it have ?

Idon't think the "K" is an issue 3rd sqdrn had D's and K's

Redd

Redd · « **Reply #17 on:** June 08, 2004, 07:26:14 PM »

Machnix - can you use other letters ? eg U, I

The CV was squadron designation - I've seen photos of a K P and J - there must have been U's and I's

The souther n cross I can live with - can't speak for HTC - I guess send it to them , see what they think

Redd

MachNix · « **Reply #18 on:** June 08, 2004, 10:13:21 PM »

Redd,

The issues are:
1. There is only one wing – one upper, one lower surface.
2. Only one horizontal stab surface that is mirrored top, bottom, left and right.
3. Only one fuselage half with small "detail" areas such as where the "CV" is placed.

Another letter such as A, H, I, M, etc. can be used IF there was an actual aircraft with that letter - you have to prove it. I have had a skin rejected already for this.

Maybe HT will take a look at this post and give some guidance.

MachNix

MachNix · « **Reply #19 on:** June 10, 2004, 11:18:08 AM »

Pyro,

What is HT's policy on mirrored items such as the backwards "P" in the above P-51D? As a skinner, I try and use only paint schemes that will work on the model. Redd asked for a RAAF color scheme and this was the only example that was close to fitting. I don't want to submit the skin unless you think it is worth considering -- no sense in adding to the backlog of skins.

Thanks,
MachNix

Greebo · « **Reply #20 on:** June 10, 2004, 03:02:59 PM »

FWIW, I had an F6F (mirrored fuselage sides) accepted with the number "101" instead of the historically correct "145". I mentioned this fudge in the email BTW.

Redd · « **Reply #21 on:** June 10, 2004, 05:25:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Greebo
FWIW, I had an F6F (mirrored fuselage sides) accepted with the number "101" instead of the historically correct "145". I mentioned this fudge in the email BTW.

That seems a logical stance to take when the skinners are working with the limitation of the mirroring.

As I mentioned - if there were K's P's and J's - it's very likely there were U's and I's

eg CV- I

Redd

Redd · « **Reply #22 on:** June 11, 2004, 07:45:45 PM »

machnix

found this site

http://www.adf-serials.com/

The following information is listed from there

You could choose several letters

eg CV-A CV-W CV-T

FB128   ?   ?   ?   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control.
FB244   ?   ?   ?   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. From 112Sqn.
FB252   ?   ?   ?   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. From 260Sqn.
FB262   ?   ?   ?   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. From 112Sqn. abandoned in flight after flak DAM 3MAR45, Casara.
FB283   ?   ?   ?   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. From 260Sqn.
FB290   ?   ?   ?   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. From 260Sqn. abandoned in flight after flak DAM 3APR45 near Maribor.
FB295   ?   ?   ?   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. From 260Sqn.
FB299   ?   ?   ?   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. From 450Sqn. Shot Down flak 14APR45.
FB341   ?   ?   ?   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control.
HB955   ?   ?   ?   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. From 260Sqn.
KH616   ?   ?   ?   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-J. WO J Quinn Shot Down 26DEC44.
KH624   ?   ?   ?   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-Y.
KH676   ?   ?   44-11379   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-A.
KH677   ?   ?   44-11380   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. Missing 11/04/45. The Aircraft Registered VH-JUC and flown as KH677 is really A68-105.
# Image of A68-105 marked as KH677 in 1999. (Darren Crick)

# Image of A68-105 marked as KH677 at Temora in 2003. (Darren Crick)
KH679   ?   ?   44-11382   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. Abandoned in flight near Padova 7MAR45 after flak DAM.
KH710   ?   ?   44-11413   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CL Cervia 16APR45 after engine cut on TO.
KH716   ?   ?   44-11483   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-P Sqn Ldr M P Nash.
KH723   ?   ?   44-11480   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-K.
KH755   ?   ?   44-11583   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-W. Crashed on Venice Lido 29APR45 after flak DAM.
KH760   ?   ?   44-11588   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-Z.
KH772   ?   ?   44-11600   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-E.
KH786   ?   ?   44-11614   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-C.
KH791   ?   ?   44-11699   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-G.
KH794   ?   ?   44-11702   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-G.
KH806   ?   ?   44-11714   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-L.
KH807   ?   ?   44-11715   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-Y.
KH819   ?   ?   44-11727   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. From 5 Sqn SAAF. CV-X.
KH821   ?   ?   44-11729   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. Ditched off PO estuary 25JAN45 after flak DAM.
KH830   ?   ?   44-11738   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-T.
KH845   ?   ?   44-11833   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-B. Missing 2MAR45.
KH851   ?   ?   44-11839   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. MIA 1APR45.
KH853   ?   ?   ?   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. From 260Sqn. CV-K FL K Richards.
KM104   ?   ?   ?   Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-J.

brady · « **Reply #23 on:** June 11, 2004, 10:55:14 PM »

The Slot Map has some realy Nice New Zealand Skins (P40E, and F4U-1A) and a Nice Austrailian Boston Skin, The Okinawa Map has a Nice British Coursare skin well, all done by Ramzey.

MachNix · « **Reply #24 on:** June 13, 2004, 02:19:23 PM »

Redd,
Went with CV-Y and used the same paint scheme as CV-P that was shown earlier. I think the "KH807" looks acceptable mirrored. If you think this skin looks okay, I'll submit it.

MachNix

Redd · « **Reply #25 on:** June 13, 2004, 09:39:07 PM »

Machnix

Only thing you might want to look at is the roundels on the wings - were they red white blue ( without the yellow circle) ?

Redd

Redd · « **Reply #26 on:** June 13, 2004, 09:42:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Redd
Machnix

Only thing you might want to look at is the roundels on the wings - were they red white blue ( without the yellow circle) ?

Redd

Found this old black and white showing wing roundel

and this one is actually from the 3rd sqd , you have all the other marking looking really good.

MachNix · « **Reply #27 on:** June 14, 2004, 01:40:41 AM »

Redd,
I was basing the wing roundels on Greebo's link: http://galacticvoyager.com/cgi-bin/mod.cgi?id=03-50052&c=111
You can just make out the wing roundel in your black and white image of CV-P and I don't think it has any white.

Some other things I notice from you image is my tail emblem is backwards – should be red-white-blue – and only the front of the spinner is red. I'll get those things changed and pack it off to HT.

MachNix

Redd · « **Reply #28 on:** June 14, 2004, 06:22:14 AM »

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Originally posted by MachNix
Redd,
I was basing the wing roundels on Greebo's link: http://galacticvoyager.com/cgi-bin/mod.cgi?id=03-50052&c=111
You can just make out the wing roundel in your black and white image of CV-P and I don't think it has any white.

MachNix

You are probably right - have seen some hpotos of the roundels on the wings done that way now that I've looked closer.

Redd

Redd · « **Reply #29 on:** June 14, 2004, 06:33:04 AM »

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Originally posted by Redd
You are probably right - have seen some hpotos of the roundels on the wings done that way now that I've looked closer.

The roundels and fin flash are all listed and exaples here

http://cocardes.monde.online.fr/v2html/en/pays/royaume_uni.html

paragraph below describes the scheme delivered in the kittyhawaks at the time - very likely applied to the P51's as well

Initially the Kittyhawk Mk.IIas were in the Desert camouflage of Dark Earth and Midstone upper surfaces with Azure Blue (usually) lower surfaces. These colours are thought to have been applied at a M.U in the Middle East as it is believed that the aircraft were manufactured in the Temperate scheme in the U.S (as were the earlier P-40Es). Spinners were all painted Red as per DAF (Desert Air Force) orders with serials in Black. Roundels on all these Kittyhawk Mk.IIas were the standard RAF types for the period (ie 36" C1 Fuselage, 40 " B type Upper wing and 36" C Lower wing) with appropiate Fin flash.

Full text here

http://www.3squadron.org.au/MacK1/P40L2.htm

I can't see what you have used under the wing - sounds like the type C would be correct.

Thanks again

Redd