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« on: June 05, 2004, 01:48:30 AM »
Iraqis the Only Ones Getting Cheap Gas

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By JIM KRANE, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - One of the prewar forecasts was that by invading Iraq (news - web sites), the world would profit from stable exports of Iraq's oil. And that would translate into cheap gas for American drivers. Now, with U.S. gasoline averaging $2.05 per gallon — about 50 cents more than the pre-invasion price — that logic has been flipped on its head.


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Instead, Iraqis seem to be the only people getting cheap gas as a result of the invasion. They pay just five cents for a gallon — thanks to hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. taxpayer subsidies.

Since Iraq has little capacity to refine its own gasoline, the U.S. government pays about $1.50 a gallon to purchase fuel in neighboring countries and deliver it to Iraqi filling stations. A three-month supply costs American taxpayers more than $500 million, not including the cost of military escorts.

The arrangement keeps a fleet of 4,200 tank trucks constantly on the move, ferrying fuel to Iraq.

Baghdad taxi driver Osama Hashim says he owes his livelihood to the U.S. taxpayer.

"We thank the Americans. They risked their lives to liberate us and now they are improving our lives," said Hashim, 26, topping up the tank on his beat-up 1983 Volkswagen.

Filling a 22-gallon tank in Baghdad with low-grade fuel costs just $1.10, plus a 50-cent tip for the attendant. A tankful of high-test costs $2.75.

In Britain, by contrast, gasoline prices hit $5.79 per gallon last week — $127 for a tankful.

Iraq's fuel subsidies, which are intended to mollify drivers used to low-priced fuel under Saddam Hussein (news - web sites), have coupled with the opening of the borders to create an anarchic car culture in Baghdad.

Cheap used cars shipped from Europe and Asia are flooding into Iraq. A 10-year-old BMW in good condition costs just $5,000. Since gas is so cheap, anyone with a car can become a taxi driver. Drivers jam the streets, offering rides for as little as 250 dinars — about 17 cents.

Iraq has no sales tax, no registration, no license plates and no auto insurance. Some would argue there are no rules of the road. Cars barrel the wrong way on the highway. They swoop into surprise U-turns. They ignore traffic signals.

Analysts say the U.S. gas subsidies can't last forever.

"The U.S. taxpayer has a right to be indignant, and Iraqis have to be warned about the long-run damages of this," said Anthony Cordesman, an Iraq analyst with the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies. "The minute the aid goes out, the party is over. And there's going to be a hell of a hangover."

The U.S. government paid even more last year for Iraqis' gasoline — between $1.59 and $1.70 per gallon — when the imports were contracted to Halliburton, the Texas oil services giant formerly headed by Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites).

The cheap fuel is spurring unsustainable demand, promoting wasteful use of energy and transportation, and squandering Iraq's oil output that might otherwise be exported, Cordesman said.

"You're leading people to buy cars that aren't affordable at normal costs," he said. "You need to move toward real market prices as quickly as you can without causing instability."

Iraqi drivers protest that the price difference between a gallon of gas in the United States and Iraq is fair, because the average Iraqi earns around $1,000 per year, a thirtieth of the average U.S. wage.

   

"If the price of gas goes up, we'll see lots of anger in the street," said cab driver Hashim, at a grimy filling station on Saadoun Street in central Baghdad.

Cheap gasoline is also needed to fuel the ubiquitous portable electric generators in Iraq, which power air conditioners during long daily blackouts.

Hashim and another driver, convinced, like many Iraqis, that the United States reaps huge amounts of cheap Iraqi oil, said subsidized gasoline was the least Americans could provide in return.

"The United States controls all Iraqi resources now," said Jenan Jabro, 50, tanking up his black Opel. "So what if they have to pay a little bit for gasoline? That's nothing compared to what they get in return."

Analysts say there never was a good case — either before the war or afterward — that a U.S. invasion would pay dividends in cheap oil.

"Some of the neo-conservatives might've been saying that, but no energy analysts were walking around saying that," Cordesman said.

Iraq's current exports of just under 2 million barrels of oil a day aren't enough to dent the world market price. It will take up to three years to bring Iraq back just to 1991 export levels, said Rachel Bronson of the Council on Foreign Relations. The country is still too unstable for most oil companies to invest in, she said.

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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2004, 01:50:05 AM »
I say good for Iraqis. God bless them, it's their oil.

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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2004, 01:52:28 AM »
By the way ero, what previously banned person are you?

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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2004, 01:52:52 AM »
Yeah but we are buying it for them at $1.50 a gallon and selling it to them for a nickle.

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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2004, 01:53:54 AM »
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Yeah but we are buying it for them at $1.50 a gallon and selling it to them for a nickle.


It's their oil.

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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2004, 01:54:07 AM »
Oooo.... an new member. Hi "ero" and welcome :)

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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2004, 01:54:12 AM »
Banned? I don't follow you sorry.

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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2004, 01:55:00 AM »
Thank you Nilsen.

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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2004, 01:56:08 AM »
Yes It's there oil but It's our tax dollars being wasted.

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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2004, 01:57:36 AM »
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Banned? I don't follow you sorry.


so you stumbled in here and your first post is a political complaint in the O'Club . Yeah, you  a typical newbie......right.

What brought you here by the way? Interest in flight sims? LOL joker!

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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2004, 02:00:35 AM »
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so you stumbled in here and your first post is a political complaint in the O'Club . Yeah, you  a typical newbie......right.

What brought you here by the way? Interest in flight sims? LOL joker!


Am I missing something here?

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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2004, 02:08:32 AM »
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Am I missing something here?


Yes, you probably are.

Strange for a first post ever here to be a thread starter (cut and paste no less) and to be a political post, nothing to do with the game Aces High. I ask you, what brought you to this BB?

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« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2004, 02:10:50 AM »
Found this website from a guy yakin on text in IL2FB.
And from what I can tell in this room atleast the topic's have little or nothing to do with a flight sim.

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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2004, 02:18:41 AM »
Hi ero :aok

Don't worry, just a bit of "Mr.Black syndrome" that floats around here for new members. Been guilty of it myself.

As for your story, it's just typical of this current administration. I'm sure somehow, someway a chunk of that is going to Bush's buddies. You and I are just footing the bill.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2004, 02:19:47 AM »
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Found this website from a guy yakin on text in IL2FB.
And from what I can tell in this room atleast the topic's have little or nothing to do with a flight sim.


fair enough, sorry for jumping you...we have had a few people that have been banned and keep coming back with different names.

and welcome. You should try AH online, get a free 2 week trial. It's the cat's arse!