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[Sunchaser]

...Sunchaser 0.
Regarding a buffer discussion last night and an error in one of my sources.

Cave, I rechecked 4 sources and you will not find me in a B17 above 36,000 feet from now on.

Two said 37,500 ft
Janes Fighting Aircraft of WWII and The Mighty Eighth War Manual.

One said 35,800 ft.
American Aircraft of WWII

One said 35,600 ft.
Boeing website history section.

My apology.

Different subject:
Re: "Gaming the Game".
I make every attempt to avoid doing this and if I am aware of an error in my operation I will correct it.

I will not attack Axis A/C with Axis A/C nor Allied with Allied outside the training arena and anyone who does so IS "Gaming the Game".

I personally have no problem with this for the gamers concerned, go for it and have a ball.

BUT...The real and/or self appointed experten in the flightsim world who shoot my B17, B26, C47 down with a P38 or Cannon armed Corsair or any Allied A/C, need to rethink their operating methods a bit or quit squeaking.

The word Superdweeb was around last night regarding our operating above 37,000 ft, I will correct our altitude, thus relinquishing the Superdweeb title to the guys who shoot me down using Allied AC.

I REALLY LIKE THIS GAME/SIM and most of the people flying it.

CYA from my chute.

[Kieren]

While from an historic point of view you are right (regarding Allied vs. Allied interception), what should an opposing team do? Allow the enemy bombers to attack at will because you happen to be in a P38 at the time? Of course you know this can't happen.

This is why we have scenarios, or set up mini-scenarios in the TA or SEA. The MA environment would make this type flying impossible.

[hblair]

We need an Historical Arena.

[Robert]

there are accounts of captured planes used against the country they were built for. Both sides did it!!!!

[popeye]

If you want to be historically correct, I think that you will find most B-17 formations flew substantially lower than the altitudes that you cite -- most in the 25,000 - 27,000 foot range.

popeye

[CavemanJ]

Hey Sun
It's not really a problem, just irritating IMO.  I haven't taken a 17 higher than 24k or so since around version .42-.43, even though I'd be pratically invincible if I went to 36k.  The fact that we dinnae have to worry about freezing problems (engines, crewmen, etc) in the game is what makes it gaming the game I think.  Who knows, maybe we'll have to worry about the freezing part soon =)

and I'll still use the word SuperDweeb for 17 drivers who go above 28k =)

For the record, I do most of my buffing at 8k to 18k, whether I'm in the 26 or the 17.

[Sunchaser]

Kieren, point taken but how about this?

I enter the main chaos arena with the intent to bomb your stuff, you (or anyone) enter the same arena to prevent that.

I take what is there, American stuff, you want to waste bombers you take German, Italian or Japanese Stuff.

WE maintain historical order in the midst of chaos and while we both may have to defend ourselves from our own county's A/C at least we are trying to do it right and I will get shot down (I always get shot down.) by a plane that would actually be shooting at me were this real, which it is surely not.

OR

We both enter the main chaos arena to add to the general chaos, fly around and shoot stuff, so we hop in our favorite chaosmobile and have at it.

Two options, even in the main arena.
The first is difficult but not impossible and the second is a buncha fun.

Rgr Popeye, somewhere else around here I stated that I bomb from histerical altitudes and after the drop climb like hell and run.

I do not bomb from over 28K so I guess I am almost historically correct, right?

Cave, it sort of equals out, the fighter engines and crew have the same benefit at altitude so what is gaming the game about trying to survive by using your aircraft within established perameters?

If HTC models engine performance degradation at altitude it will apply to all planes, right?

hblair, for sure.

Robert, did your ! key stick?

This bomber crap is really startin' to get old.

[Kieren]

I do really respect that line of thought, Sunchaser- in fact, that is more or less my view of personal conduct. You can only hold to what you believe is the right way to do things, and conduct yourself accordingly. S!  

[tshred]

Quote:

"I enter the main chaos arena with the intent to bomb your stuff, you (or anyone) enter the same arena to prevent that.

I take what is there, American stuff, you want to waste bombers you take German, Italian or Japanese Stuff."

Sunchaser, how do we know you are in a B17? Am I supposed to ask you? LOL, will you answer   ? When I log on, I see dots on radar. How do I know to take a historically correct a/c to counter those dots? Hell, how do I know if those dots are fighters or bombers? What if I have no recon(freindlies) to report this to me, or maybe they are to busy engaged with another fighter to answer? I see a couple targets hitting an undefended field, I don't know if they are fighters loaded with bombs or buffs. Don't get me wrong, I like your ideas, but they are only appropriate in a Historical Arena, where you are locked into either Axis or Allied. They just won't work in the Main, unless we get different colord dots for radar or something to distinguish the type of contact. Then could you imagine all the squeaking that would go on?


ts

[This message has been edited by tshred (edited 03-08-2000).]

[Kieren]

TS-

No, I understand what he means. He means that we all have control only over what we personally do, and he chooses to conduct himself in that manner. Perhaps if he does, others will follow. I happen to believe this way, too (whether I agree or disagree on this particular topic).  

[tshred]

Well I understand what you/he are saying, and I believe the same, but don't necessarly agree on this topic either, and was giving reasons why he shouldn't expect anyone elso to follow his example. That's all  

ts

[Sunchaser]

Hi tshred, no problem and a historical arena is necessary for sure.

I do not expect anyone to follow my example, I was just commenting that, even in the open arena, the player has choices.

Sure, ask me and I will tell you what I am up to, if I am bombing stuff then you can decide.."Do I really want to chase after that idiot in an Axis plane all night or not?"

Sometimes I just try to help grab a base with a C47 or, if we are close, waste rear area stuff with a B26 but I am usually in a B17 climbing toward the Bishop rear area, I hate bombing airfields.

Thanks Kieren.