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« on: June 09, 2004, 04:08:30 AM »
Does anybody have that kind of set-up? I'm only looking at a budget projector and have virtually settled on either the Panasonic AE500 (akaL500 I think) or the new Hitachi TX-100 (if the reviews are good).

Does anybody play games through their projector - especially AH?

I'm also a bit worried that the room has to be completely dark to see the picture. There will be no direct light onto the where I'm placing the screen, but there are some large French patio doors near where the seating is (about 13ft from the screen and perpendicular to it).

Apparently, HDTV is coming to the UK in the near future and these projectors are ready for that kind of input.
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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2004, 05:26:43 AM »
Projectors are nice, get some nifty chairs and you've got yourself a theatre. Charge your friends.

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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2004, 07:28:38 AM »
Dowding, have you looked at these?

60" Sony HDTV LCD Rear Projection

70" Sony HDTV LCD Rear Projection

82" Mitsubishi HDTV LCD Rear Projection

Find a store and take a look at all of them.  The brightness is quite remarkable and they are very shallow for a rear projector.
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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2004, 08:02:09 AM »
Cheers. Too expensive for me unfortunately, although I think I saw the 44" version the other day and it was impressive. My budget is only about £1400 ($2200) for a conventional TV - or about £1000 for a projector (obviously then I have to buy a screen with the remainder).
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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2004, 08:19:05 AM »
Dowding,
Make sure if you buy one of the plt500u projectors to buy the British version.  If there are any problems with the unit you will have to ship it into a service center.
  I am not much into extended warranties but with projectors and plasma screens I think they are a great idea.
Also remember that the lamps on "all" projectors are expensive to replace.  You will be looking at about 250$ a bulb,  Granted they should last close to 4000 hours,  but the bulbs are only covered for 500 hours or 90 days.  I do have a few people that have had bulb failures early.

I am not trying to push you away from projectors, I think they look amazing, and are priced right,   Just want to give you all the facts.
I know for the American versions the AE500 will not be shipping until near august.  The factory has been just producing the ptl model.

In the states the ptl is a commercial model (better warranty)
And the ae500 is the consumer model.

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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2004, 01:40:17 PM »
My biz is renting high end LCD projectors. One thing that keeps me from having one in my house for gaming is the lack of fine detail.

It looks nice to have a screen the size of a wall but if you get that size by accepting lower detail then you might like it.

The problem is that with the lower end PJ's there aren't enough elements to give the fine detail needed to see con dots well and when the con gets into range where you can see the shape the detail is dissapointing compaired to a CRT screen...too me anyway.
Everytime I set one up thinking that this one will be acceptable for AH over the last one I always revert back to my 19" CRT monitor. Even my BARCO 5000's, these are $35K PJ's, don't have the fine resolution I want for AH...bright as hell though, something like 5K lumens. I tried the Barco SLM Performer, a $56K machine at 10K lumens, and had the same problems.

With games where fine detail isn't so important LCD's are great, there's nothing like driving a race or flight sim on a big screen except for the car/airsick prone.

When buying a LCD look at the number of elements < this will usualy show xx# pixels x3 > and the lumens as well as max resolution and V scan rate. Most consumer LCD's have low max scan rates at high rez.

One last thing about LCD PJ's, the bulb life averages at 300-450 hours for most consumer products. The replacement cost can range from $125 to $450, if you use it for more than 3 hours a day you'll have to replace the bulb 2x a year.

My sugestion would be to try to rent the model you want or atleast get a free trial before you buy.

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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2004, 01:44:37 PM »
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Dowding,
  Granted they should last close to 4000 hours,  but the bulbs are only covered for 500 hours or 90 days.  I do have a few people that have had bulb failures early.

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Most of my consumer PJ's have only 450 hrs before quality starts to degrade. This is for PJ's up to 2K lumens. Am I behind the curve in consumer PJ's already...sheesh.

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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2004, 04:14:12 PM »
With the panny 500 the lamp will run for about 2000 hours in high mode or "up to" 5000 in low mode.

Normally the drop a little at first then stay steady...  over the last 3-4 years the quality and consistancey of the lamps have been inproving,  


I will also agree for AH I don’t think this would be the best.  Any time you blow up a pictire that big you will lose the sharpness that you need for AH.  This is more for DVD HDTV watching.  I must have skipped over that.  This is more of a replacement for a TV.



now the ptl76u is used at golf shops all over the country  for there golf simulators.

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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2004, 04:16:59 PM »
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Most of my consumer PJ's have only 450 hrs before quality starts to degrade. This is for PJ's up to 2K lumens. Am I behind the curve in consumer PJ's already...sheesh.



I am allways surprised   What consummers put into the homes.   I have talked with some that put 3200 lumen projectors into a small dens and complain about it being too bright.

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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2004, 04:38:45 PM »
check this rear projection machine...from same website that skuzzy posted...different page!

SONY rear projection TV

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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2004, 05:01:04 PM »
I would not touch that one xrt.  It is a regular rear projector, which uses 7 inch guns with polymer lenses.  They are not going to hold up to the demands of HDTV for very long.

Everything I have seen, relating to HDTV, has major drawbacks.  Some I consider completely unacceptable.  The rear projector LCD sets seem to be the best, for a large screen.  The only downside is the lamp needing to be replaced often.
Cost of ownership/performance seems to be a winner though.
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2004, 06:53:00 PM »
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Does anybody have that kind of set-up? I'm only looking at a budget projector and have virtually settled on either the Panasonic AE500 (akaL500 I think) or the new Hitachi TX-100 (if the reviews are good).

Does anybody play games through their projector - especially AH?

I'm also a bit worried that the room has to be completely dark to see the picture. There will be no direct light onto the where I'm placing the screen, but there are some large French patio doors near where the seating is (about 13ft from the screen and perpendicular to it).

Apparently, HDTV is coming to the UK in the near future and these projectors are ready for that kind of input.


You'd better eliminate every possible source of light in the room this will be in, or you're wasting money.  Front projectors need to be in total darkness to work properly.  If not blacks become greys, and hazing of the overall picture comes into play.   Unless, this is done, you'll be able to enjoy it to it's full potential.

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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2004, 07:28:02 PM »
1 thing to remember about projectors...your picture will only be as good as your screen. If it ever gets a smear, stain, scratch or mark, it's permanent. Ever have kids in the house?
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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2004, 07:33:14 PM »
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1 thing to remember about projectors...your picture will only be as good as your screen. If it ever gets a smear, stain, scratch or mark, it's permanent. Ever have kids in the house?


Yep, Greyhawk makes some outstanding screens.  Avg. of about $2-3,000.  But, well worth the jack spent.

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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2004, 09:32:59 PM »
Make sure you check out the DLP vs LCD options as well.

DLPs are real preddy.