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Offline Widewing

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« on: June 12, 2004, 11:54:52 AM »
Since its introduction in AH1, the P-51B's main landing gear has been graphically and dynamically incorrectly modeled. It's a very minor glitch, I'll grant you. Nonetheless, it does have an effect on ground handling and, frankly, looks kinda dorky.

I'm hoping that HTC will correct the landing gear angle. It's off by a considerable margin. It creates a nose-high ground stance and shifts the on-ground CG forward, making it excessively prone to nosing over under braking.



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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2004, 04:55:25 PM »
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARHG!!!!! *Runs around screaming*

Now seriously that needs to be fixed! Although this post belongs in the bug reporting forum don't you think?

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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2004, 05:15:07 PM »
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARHG!!!!! *Runs around screaming*

Now seriously that needs to be fixed! Although this post belongs in the bug reporting forum don't you think?


Actually, I wouldn't consider this a bug. Moreover, HTC has enough bug posts to sort thru as it is.

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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2004, 09:40:02 PM »
My Photo Shows AH2 as being correct, over AH1. :


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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2004, 11:09:56 PM »
looks ok to me:aok

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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2004, 12:43:11 AM »
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My Photo Shows AH2 as being correct, over AH1. :


The P-51D is correct, the P-51B is wrong. When viewed on the ground, axle centers should be in front of the leading edge, not behind it. See below.





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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2004, 01:42:44 AM »
You know, this COULD cause a problem when rolling about on the ground... Ppl have reported odd props strikes when taxiing.

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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2004, 10:07:25 AM »
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You know, this COULD cause a problem when rolling about on the ground... Ppl have reported odd props strikes when taxiing.


This is exactly the problem. If you land a P-51D, you can apply full braking while holding full up elevator. The aircraft does not nose over.

With the P-51B, you must greatly modulate braking, even with full up elevator or it noses over. Prop strikes can and do occur as a result.

As I have said, this is a minor issue. What bothers me most is that it looks wrong. Just a pet pieve of mine..  ;)

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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2004, 10:16:42 AM »
We'll see if we can get it fixed up before release.  If not, we'll get to it sometime after that.  At some point, I would like to add an Allison Mustang or A-36 and convert the B to a Malcolm hood.

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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2004, 10:31:09 AM »
Great news there !!!!!

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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2004, 11:46:17 AM »
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We'll see if we can get it fixed up before release.  If not, we'll get to it sometime after that.  At some point, I would like to add an Allison Mustang or A-36 and convert the B to a Malcolm hood.


Could you do the Malcolm hood P51B as a P51C instead so we got one of each canopy style?

Since you say an 'Allison Mustang' or an A-36, could we have the Allison engined RAF Mustang Mk.IA with 4 x 20mm?  Think the USAAF called them F-6A or something like that, armed recon.  RAF used them for same purpose - Army Cooperation (AC).

Some references indicate that the USAAF removed the 20mm from their Mustang Mk.IAs when they went to recon use.

Excellent summary of the Mustang: http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/1999/11/stuff_eng_p51early.htm

Some RAF schemes: http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2000/01/stuff_eng_profile_mustang4.htm
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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2004, 12:25:41 PM »
malcolm hood would be outstanding.


oh and the B and C are the same aircraft just different manufacturing lines..
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2004, 12:28:33 PM »
Great news on the Malcolm hood.  Thanks HTC!!!

BTW, I still think the P-51B 3-D model is a little too elongated.  Perhaps the image needs to be heightened slightly, and possibly the air intake under the nose needs to be faired off a bit more.  In any case, the book images are chubbier-looking.  

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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2004, 12:32:31 PM »
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We'll see if we can get it fixed up before release.  If not, we'll get to it sometime after that.  At some point, I would like to add an Allison Mustang or A-36 and convert the B to a Malcolm hood.


Thanks Pyro! I'm continuously impressed with the effort you folks make to get things as close to perfect as possible, even with seemingly unimportant details.

Adding the Allison Mustang will be greatly appreciated by many players. Adding the Malcolm hood will be a genuine treat.

Once again, thank you for your extraordinary efforts!

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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2004, 12:57:19 PM »
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malcolm hood would be outstanding.


oh and the B and C are the same aircraft just different manufacturing lines..


I know, but I'd like to keep the P51B razor back style hood, and the P51D bubble canopy.  If they were going to model the Malcolm hood then it's a good opportunity to model it as a P51C instead of replacing the P51B.
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