P51B with 4 20mms?

[simshell]

im reading in a book about called 60 years of air to air combat and it says the USAAF orderd 400 p51b's with 4 20mms


just thinking make a perk p51 like the F4U:p

[frank3]

We already have enough perk planes, take the Ar234 for instance

[Replicant]

Originally posted by simshell
im reading in a book about called 60 years of air to air combat and it says the USAAF orderd 400 p51b's with 4 20mms


just thinking make a perk p51 like the F4U:p

Not quite right.... 4 x .50 cals

Read http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/1999/11/stuff_eng_p51early.htm

[fluffy]

Interesting - I read a book by a local (Ottawa area) writer who flew 'Mustang III' aircraft in low level RAF recon unit. He mentions armament of 4x20mm guns, which I thought must have been a mistake of memory on his part.  His engine was optimized for fastest low altitude flight. He operated from base in Britain. He was also sent on solo raids to attack low altitude aircraft and shot down some bombers with those 20mms.

Thanks for backing him up. I will have to dig out book to remember his name, unit, etc., but it seems that the RAF must wound up with some of those p51Bs you mention.

[MiloMorai]

Fluffy, ever go to the Iron Works to eat?

The only Mustang armed with 20mm cannons was the P-51/Mustang IA. It was powered by an Allison and was very fast at low level.

P-51B at http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p51_8.html

[Replicant]

Originally posted by fluffy
Interesting - I read a book by a local (Ottawa area) writer who flew 'Mustang III' aircraft in low level RAF recon unit. He mentions armament of 4x20mm guns, which I thought must have been a mistake of memory on his part.  His engine was optimized for fastest low altitude flight. He operated from base in Britain. He was also sent on solo raids to attack low altitude aircraft and shot down some bombers with those 20mms.

Thanks for backing him up. I will have to dig out book to remember his name, unit, etc., but it seems that the RAF must wound up with some of those p51Bs you mention.

RAF recon units were 'Army Co-operation' squadrons.  They used the Mustang Mk.IA (4 x 20mm) and Mustang Mk.I (2x .50s, 4 x .303s), and as Milomorai states, Allison engined.

[Delirium]

It wasn't a misprint, it existed... but I'm not saying it belongs in AH without a perk cost.

Originally posted by fluffy
He mentions armament of 4x20mm guns, which I thought must have been a mistake of memory on his part.  

[WarRaidr]

eeeekkkkkkkkkkk run for the hills if you see that bad boy on you're 6

[fluffy]

Thanks for the clarifications - he must have been flying the 1A Mustang, and my imagination supplied the 'Mustang III' - my apologies. I will post the name of his excellent book when I get home.

Now as to the P51-B w 4x20mm THAT would be some perk ride all right!!  If they made 400 of them that's 200 more than the F4U-C model that we have in AH now (hint, hint).....I kind of enjoy the challenge of the vanilla 4x.50 set though - takes a real 'man' to get a kill with 'em.

- MiloMorai - I've not eaten at the 'Iron Works' yet, do you recommend it?  Have been to the 'Leather Works' in Carleton Place for the blues jams.

[MiloMorai]

OT

Fluffy, I am biased,;) though the food is not bad (no food poisoning yet). The niece's husband owns the Irons Works. He also had the Leather Works for awhile (til last year when he sold it). He has the new place at the corner of Lake and Bridge in CP. If you see a black Harley parked outside, I am there.

[simshell]

if htc makes the F4u-c why cant they make a P51 with the 4 20mms with a perk cost   be the most used perk plane tho by far

[Widewing]

Only the XP-51B had four 20mm cannon. That was because the XP-51B was converted from a P-51/Mustang Mk.Ia which had them installed as standard armament.



Remember, the USAAF was not interested in cannons, and not even pleased that the P-38 had one.

My regards,

Widewing

[Puke ver. 2]

The Hellcat design allowed for four 20-mm to be interchanged in place of the six fifties.   I'd love for that option in Aces High.  Just because it wasn't utilized in actual combat doesn't seem like a reason to exclude it from Aces High.  Had Hellcat units actually encountered the dizzying array of aircraft found in the MA rather than the flying zippos Japan fielded, I'm certain deck handlers would've made use of this option.  It's my understanding this changeout was something that could be performed very easily on ship at sea.

I'm not sure why everyone fears American aircraft having cannons.

[Kweassa]

For the same reason people would be fearing a MK103 armed Fw190A.

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by Kweassa
For the same reason people would be fearing a MK103 armed Fw190A.

Fw tried it and found the MK103 was pretty much usless. Nothing to fear there.

Now if it had been put in the Tas, that would be different.