Author Topic: Rumsfeld has some secrets. (Read 1203 times)

VOR · « **Reply #30 on:** June 18, 2004, 08:54:08 AM »

Gunslinger, I don't *think* anyone here is sympathizing with terrorists as much as expressing concern about doing things the right way. I'm just as (if not more) PO'd about terrorism as anyone else, but I see the need for caution and control in the fight against it.

Now, about this particular Rummy case, there could very well be a reason for not immediately disclosing this prisoner's info that we're still unaware of since we don't have the big picture. Hopefully, now that it's public knowledge, an explanation will be soon to follow. I just jope it's a good one.

PS: The Bush/Hitler pics are so incredibly clever and thought provoking I didn't know whether to watermelon or go blind.

Eagler · « **Reply #31 on:** June 18, 2004, 09:24:04 AM »

some won't be happy until we lose a few more skyscrapers...

I like the fact they error on the side of caution when it comes to our security

capt. apathy · « **Reply #32 on:** June 18, 2004, 10:04:00 AM »

I have no problem with a terrorist being shot, tortured, or vanishing from the face of the earth with no explanation.

I do have a problem with a guy who works for and represents me being in on it.

gov't office is not a license to break the law, as a matter of fact I would expect gov't officials to hold themselves to a higher standard as the whole legal structure loses credibility when the gov't is made of criminals.

it's Ironic that we expect a ballplayer to be a roll-model for todays youth but many Americans seem OK with the secretary of defense being thug.

Rumsfeld admitted that this law was broken, he admitted knowledge of it from the beginning, he admits it was deliberate, he's a criminal.

if Rumsfeld doesn't face charges for this I can see only 2 possible ways to take it. either this administration feels they are somehow above the law. or they don't really believe in the law as 'a big deal'. more of a guide-line than a rule. something it's nice to try for but nobody's expected to completely obey. you don't actually have to follow it if it gets in the way of your plans.

it seems like only yesterday there was a thread where many said that republicans where very anti-crime and "tough on criminals".

here's a criminal that the President likely sees daily, I wonder how tough on him Bush will be? anybody really think there will be any other legal reaction other than no charges, or a pardon?

Otto · « **Reply #33 on:** June 18, 2004, 10:20:30 AM »

Estes,

If you don't like President Bush, why do you have your picture along with his in your avitar? It seems like a contradiction...

Eagler · « **Reply #34 on:** June 18, 2004, 10:22:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Otto
Estes,

If you don't like President Bush, why do you have your picture along with his in your avitar? It seems like a contradiction...

LOL

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #35 on:** June 18, 2004, 10:43:01 AM »

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Originally posted by lada
I expect to hear a lot more bad thinks about him, w/o any proof.

We don't need proof, of anything, to justify our actions, it's called being preemptive. Kind of sucks when you're on the receiving end of it , however. If someone is a suspect, we go after him, period.

You reap what you sow.

This is what you get when you have the real life equivalent of Ray Krebbs, Frank Burns,and Colonel Flagg running the country.

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #36 on:** June 18, 2004, 10:44:46 AM »

Welcome to the American Gulag, land of the dissapeared.....

Pongo · « **Reply #37 on:** June 18, 2004, 10:47:33 AM »

Of course they are grabbing people that they think have knowledge of terrorist operations, holding them in secret to try to get that information. and then acting on it to try and get others before the first arrest is known. Of course they are doing that.

That guy they got early last year in pakistan who was a Kuwaiti way up in Al quida. He looked all dazed at the time the "pakistani" police forces closed in on him. Subjection at the time was that he had been taken several months befor by US operatives, held and then put in place to be captured by the pakistanis for propoganda purposes once his intelligence use had been used up.

Im ok with all that. Its a war on terror.

The war on the insurgency in Iraq is different of course. There they have been rounding up anyone. And torturing them to see if they are insurgents.(terrorists)
That is terrorism. That is totalitrialism.

Yeager · « **Reply #38 on:** June 18, 2004, 10:48:27 AM »

Welcome to the American Gulag, land of the dissapeared.....
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well said schadenandthenfreude

oh yeah, be nice

Pongo · « **Reply #39 on:** June 18, 2004, 10:49:31 AM »

and anyone that thinks this has a strong equivilency to the SS doenst know much about the SS and gestapo.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #40 on:** June 18, 2004, 11:44:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Pongo
Of course they are grabbing people that they think have knowledge of terrorist operations, holding them in secret to try to get that information. and then acting on it to try and get others before the first arrest is known. Of course they are doing that.

That guy they got early last year in pakistan who was a Kuwaiti way up in Al quida. He looked all dazed at the time the "pakistani" police forces closed in on him. Subjection at the time was that he had been taken several months befor by US operatives, held and then put in place to be captured by the pakistanis for propoganda purposes once his intelligence use had been used up.

Im ok with all that. Its a war on terror.

OK, I want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly.

are you saying that you acknowledge that these illegal things are being done, and are OK with it?

Tumor · « **Reply #41 on:** June 18, 2004, 11:50:20 AM »

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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Welcome to the American Gulag, land of the dissapeared.....

Oh ya? Well, you better go guard the middle of that island your on before on of those terrorists dig a hole in it and sink it.

SirLoin · « **Reply #42 on:** June 18, 2004, 12:03:29 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
FINALLY!!! Proof that bush is Hitler!!!!!!!

How can Bush be Hitler?..He died in May 1945...But u could be right..He might have got lyposuction treatment.

Pongo · « **Reply #43 on:** June 18, 2004, 12:26:49 PM »

Yes. I am ok with it in regards the global war on terror. In fact I dont see how the global war on terror can be fought with any chance of success without acknoledging that it isnt a 18th century von clasuswitz kind of war. Think of the alternative.

2am Rihad time. US advisors and Saudi security personel raid prince abdulas residence and find evidence that he is actually the man that gives osama bin ladin his marching orders.

2:15 AM Rihad time. CNN reporters show inspired but confusing images of the prince being carted away.

2:16 am 80% of resources that have been compromised by that arrest have started excercsing contingencies plans to isolate the princes value.

Or

2:15 rihad time. The prince disapears for 2 months and maybe some of that 80% doenst get the warning. And 10% of them are also scooped up somewhere in the world. Leading to other arrests.

I dont see how you can do this any other way. We are talking about an orginisation that would likely comit any act of violence that was within thier capabilty to carry out. It is secretive and world wide in scope. The CIA trained them how to be secretive. The gloves have to come off.

Yeager · « **Reply #44 on:** June 18, 2004, 12:46:13 PM »

Rumsfeld admitted that this law was broken, he admitted knowledge of it from the beginning, he admits it was deliberate, he's a criminal.
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Wow....rummy admitted he was a criminal? Not very politically correct of him. I doubt this is correct but could someone, anyone paste in something from a reputable source saying rummy admitted breaking a law of the united states?

Sounds like more liberal guttersniping to me but hey, im open to the possibility.