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« on: June 18, 2004, 03:34:47 PM »
Russian President Putin said his intelligence agency informed Bush that Iraq was planning terror attacks on the U.S. (both on and off mainland U.S.).  

This warning came after the Sept 11 attacks.

Just saw this on CNN news.  Will try to find an internet article.

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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2004, 03:46:32 PM »
Sooo....won't be going with the "God told me to do it!" defence then?

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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2004, 03:52:35 PM »
Saw that too, but I bet the media is gonna bury that one with the second beheading.

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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2004, 04:01:42 PM »
Yeah waffle, I was wondering why this story was receiving so little coverage.  The second most powerful country in the world tells us that we are going to be attacked (multiple times), and it barely gets 15 seconds coverage.

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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2004, 04:12:02 PM »
Russia is not the second most powerful nation in the world.

And that still does not justify the war.
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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2004, 04:18:39 PM »
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And that still does not justify the war.
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ok what does then? wait for them to do something to us or someone else, then react; or take preventative action.

like a parole officer. iraq was already on parole in a sense from the invading of kuiat, and the officer heard about the parolee being at a gun store, right after being at the bar. the officer went down there and said "what do the 5 fingers say to the face?"
I don't know what to put here yet.

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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2004, 04:18:52 PM »
Getting information that your country is about to be attacked is not justification for war?  

Its debatable whether Russia is the 2nd most powerful country, but many (including myself) still place them above China.

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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2004, 04:27:16 PM »
United Kingdom is above Russia and China in terms of more powerful.

One country gives you intelligence that could be faulty at best, ours up to date has been piss poor with regards to Iraq, but you take that ball and run with it?

The thing with the most emphasis to take the population to war was WMDs, still no idea where they are if they still existed.

I can't believe we can go to war over intelligence thats stated by only one country and not verified by any other that its possible we'll be attacked... by Iraq of all places.

Just take their word for it, don't verify it. Sure, sounds good.
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2004, 04:37:55 PM »
I have to wonder why they were apparently telling us this at the same time they were opposing the UN resolutions.

Is that about the time line?
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2004, 05:04:43 PM »
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Russian President Putin said his intelligence agency informed Bush that Iraq was planning terror attacks on the U.S. (both on and off mainland U.S.).  

This warning came after the Sept 11 attacks.

... was about time ...

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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2004, 05:05:48 PM »
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=518&e=3&u=/ap/20040618/ap_on_re_eu/russia_iraq

Putin Says Russia Gave U.S. Intel on Iraq

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By BAGILA BUKHARBAYEVA, Associated Press Writer

ASTANA, Kazakhstan - Russian President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites) said Friday his government warned Washington that Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s regime was preparing attacks in the United States and its interests abroad — an assertion that appears to bolster President Bush (news - web sites)'s contention that Iraq (news - web sites) was a threat.


Putin emphasized that the intelligence didn't cause Russia to waver from its firm opposition to the U.S.-led war last year, but his statement was the second this month in which he has offered at least some support for Bush on Iraq.


"After Sept. 11, 2001, and before the start of the military operation in Iraq, the Russian special services ... received information that officials from Saddam's regime were preparing terrorist attacks in the United States and outside it against the U.S. military and other interests," Putin said.


"Despite that information ... Russia's position on Iraq remains unchanged," he said in the Kazakh capital, Astana, after regional economic and security summits. He said Russia didn't have any information that Saddam's regime had actually been behind any terrorist acts.


"It's one thing to have information that Saddam's regime is preparing terrorist attacks, (but) we didn't have information that it was involved in any known terrorist attacks," he said.


Putin didn't elaborate on any details of the alleged plots or mention whether they were tied to al-Qaida. He said Bush had personally thanked one of the leaders of Russia's intelligence agencies for the information but that he couldn't comment on how critical it was in the U.S. decision to invade Iraq.


In Washington, a U.S. official said Putin's information did not add to what the United States already knew about Saddam's intentions.


The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Putin's tip didn't give a time or place for a possible attack.


Bush alleged Thursday that Saddam had "numerous contacts" with al-Qaida and said Iraqi agents had met with the terror network's leader, Osama bin Laden (news - web sites), in Sudan.


Saddam "was a threat because he had terrorist connections — not only al-Qaida connections, but other connections to terrorist organizations," Bush said.


However, a commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks reported this week that while there were contacts between al-Qaida and Iraq, they did not appear to have produced "a collaborative relationship."


Also Thursday, a top Russian diplomat called for international inspectors to resolve conclusively the question of whether Iraq had any weapons of mass destruction.


"This problem must be resolved ... because to a great extent it became the pretext for the start of the war against Iraq," the Interfax news agency quoted Deputy Foreign Minister Yuri Fedotov as saying. He said such a finding would allow the U.N. Security Council to "finally close the dossier on Iraqi weapons."


In the wake of the invasion of Iraq, Putin sharply rebuked the United States for going to war despite opposition within the U.N. Security Council and said the threat posed to international security by the war was greater than that posed by Saddam.


But Putin's relationship with Bush is warm by the accounts of both leaders, and last week he said he has no patience for those who criticize Bush on Iraq.


"I don't pay attention to such publications," Putin said of media criticism of Bush at the end of the Group of Eight summit in the United States, according to the ITAR-Tass news agency.


Putin said opponents who criticize Bush on Iraq "don't have any kind of moral right. ... They conducted exactly the same kind of policy in Yugoslavia."

   
Russia vehemently opposed the NATO (news - web sites) bombing attacks on Yugoslavia in 1999, which the United States pushed for under President Clinton (news - web sites).

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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2004, 05:12:12 PM »
So 2 years later they were opposing the UN resolution to use force.

Thanks.
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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2004, 05:35:10 PM »
"In Washington, a U.S. official said Putin's information did not add to what the United States already knew about Saddam's intentions.
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which is he had no intentions other then pipe dreams.

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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2004, 06:18:33 PM »
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like a parole officer. iraq was already on parole in a sense from the invading of kuiat, and the officer heard about the parolee being at a gun store, right after being at the bar. the officer went down there and said "what do the 5 fingers say to the face?"


some parts of your analogy weren't exactly on "on the money" and it left out some issues.  I kept the same theme but just tuned it up a bit.

 a guy is on parole and has a parole officer who is charged with keeping track of him (the UN), one of the neighbors down the street(Bush and company) decided that the parole officer wasn't being strict enough with the guy, and in the opinion of the neighbor, the parolee wasn't being open enough with his parole officer.  he also suspects (from rumors through the neighborhood. most likely started by himself) that the man has a large cache of weapons in that house.  the parole officer has sent cops in to search many times and they haven't had any luck but the neighbor knows he could find them if he could just get in there and look.

 so, despite the wishes of the parole officer, and pleading of the majority of neighbors in the area,  the neighbor(now vigilante), with the help of some thugs who are old friends of his, gathers a mob (recruiting members through flimsy reasoning or contract obligations where they agreed to defend the neighborhood, being exploited to contort this plan to fit under a rough heading of defense) and they do a home invasion, stage a brawl in the guys house, locked the guys younger sons in a back room and abused them while trying to extract info to aid the search for the parolee who is hiding in his basement, eventually they find him and lock him up.  the vigilante then apologizes for the torture and sexual molestation of the sons(and accidental killing of a few during questioning) though takes no responsibility for himself or his mob mentality, it was simply a case of some mob members getting out of hand.  he then sets up some guy he found in the house who didn't seem to fight the invasion, as the new head of house hold.  he then informs him "you're in charge now.  it's your house, do what you like, you're free.  however, some of us are going to be living here for a few years, to make sure we like where this is headed."

after the invasion was over the vigilante realized that he'd completely trashed the house and it was no longer fit for the remaining, newly liberated, and extremely grateful (though some are still killing mob members whenever they can get away with it) family members.  so he hires his brother to do the repairs (at price-gouging rates) and then divides the bill among the very neighbors who tried to talk him out of the whole damn thing in the first place.

luckily however, the vigilante doesn't own his house (it is owned by the very people stuck with the bill for his fiasco) and his four year lease expires soon,  so they have until November for the reality of his situation to sink in and decide not to renew the contract with the vigilante and his group of thugs.

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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2004, 06:43:59 PM »
Naa its old story

Czech Inteligence agancy had suspicion that Iraq's ambasador gave some money to Muhamed Atta. We also doubt that they could meet at prague. Then we claim that we do not have any evidence, if they meet nor Iraq's ambasador gave him any money.

This statement were present in American press like this.
"Muhamed Atta got money for 9/11 at Prague from iraqi ambasador" .. :rolleyes:

So what shall we do when we see half of emreeka crying that Iraq paid 9/11 ... we can only laugh at it, since we know how were this information generated