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Offline MRPLUTO

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« on: June 19, 2004, 05:29:35 AM »
From The Washington Post, June 18, 2004:

    Later, opening a two-day western swing, Bush used remarks at a GOP fund-raiser in Spokane, Wash., to argue for patience in Iraq, drawing an analogy to the ruins of Germany after World War II.  Bush told the audience he wanted to read "something from the New York Times."  This drew derisive laughter, but Bush interrupted to say the passage was from 1946.


    "Germany is a land in an acute stage of economic, political and moral crisis.  The basic elements of recovery and peace are lacking," he read.  Bush then said: "Now, that was a pessimistic view of the future for Germany.  Fortunately, my predecessors were not pessimistic people."  Bush did not mention that the Marshall Plan for the reconstruction of Europe was not proposed until 1947.

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So, when the NYT printed this, it was true, and perhaps in some way this statement of a painful truth helped focus people on what would become the Marshall Plan.

But what does George W. care?  He got his cheap, ignorant laugh at the expense of the New York Times.  He has no doubts about the correctness of his plans and certainty of their success, even when events go against him.  His lack of understanding gives him the resolve to "stay the course".  For Bush, ignorance is strength, and, like blinders on a horse, allow him to plod forward without the doubts that a more perceptive person would have.  And all the better to be able to laugh at his critics, even though they speak wisely.

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The "Nobody-is-wrong-all-the-time Department"

Bush is right about one thing:  "my predecessors were not pessimistic people".  But neither were they callow and poorly-educated, given to seeing the world through rose-colored glasses.

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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2004, 05:39:03 AM »
So I take it you won't be voting for Bush in November, then?
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2004, 05:49:53 AM »
You are correct, however I don't really like Kerry very much, either.

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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2004, 06:10:25 AM »
For foreigners its same situation, when Putin were agains Jelcin.
Nobody knew what kind of men Putin is, but everybody knew that Jelcin is drunken idiot.

I belive that most votes for Kerry will be not for Kerry but agains Bushtard....

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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2004, 06:26:45 AM »
Iraq is in no way similar to the WW2 Germany or Japan. In WW2, Germany and Japan were totally defeated, not just militarily, but on a national scale as well. The german and japanese populations were massively supporting their regimes. Once they were defeated, the winners had an absolute control over them. Iraq is a completely different affair. The regime was just supported by the nomenklatura that lived as parasites on this regime, while the rest of the population didn't support it. However, imagining that the people not supporting Saddam's totalitarian regime are nice democrats, willing to adopt the occidental way of life, as the average occidental could imagin it, is an huge error. In May 2003, SADDAM'S ARMY was defeated, not Iraq's army. Iraq as a nation was not defeated, because there had no solidarity between the army and the rest of the population. The result is an incomplete control of the iraqi nation. The non-baathists (other pan-arabic nationalists, or religious zealots) don't consider themselves as defeated, to see why they should obey. And ironically, that's the only defeated group (baathist parasites) that is keen on collaborating (of course, the head of the party has been removed, but the basis remains).

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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2004, 10:50:09 AM »
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Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant
Iraq is in no way similar to the WW2 Germany or Japan. In WW2, Germany and Japan were totally defeated, not just militarily, but on a national scale as well. The german and japanese populations were massively supporting their regimes. Once they were defeated, the winners had an absolute control over them. Iraq is a completely different affair. The regime was just supported by the nomenklatura that lived as parasites on this regime, while the rest of the population didn't support it. However, imagining that the people not supporting Saddam's totalitarian regime are nice democrats, willing to adopt the occidental way of life, as the average occidental could imagin it, is an huge error. In May 2003, SADDAM'S ARMY was defeated, not Iraq's army. Iraq as a nation was not defeated, because there had no solidarity between the army and the rest of the population. The result is an incomplete control of the iraqi nation. The non-baathists (other pan-arabic nationalists, or religious zealots) don't consider themselves as defeated, to see why they should obey. And ironically, that's the only defeated group (baathist parasites) that is keen on collaborating (of course, the head of the party has been removed, but the basis remains).


Traduisé en anglais:  

AMERICANS YOU MUST GIVE UP NOW! THERE IS NO HOPE! TAKE IT FROM A FRENCHMAN  - WE WOULD GLADLY SURRENDER!
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2004, 11:01:35 AM »
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Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant
Iraq is in no way similar to the WW2 Germany or Japan.


Another man's view:

Occupations then and now

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Has the Bush administration's Iraq occupation been ever-shifting, contradictory, beset by bureaucratic squabbles and undone by events on the ground? So were the occupations of Japan and Germany. Rebuilding a foreign country in the wake of a war is necessarily untidy business, and can only succeed if a wide berth is given for surprises and mistakes.


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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2004, 12:57:38 PM »
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He has no doubts about the correctness of his plans and certainty of their success, even when events go against him



I'm sure everyone that sends men into battle second guesses themselves.  You obviously have never been in a position of leadership or you wouldn't have typed what you did.

It would be foolish for a leader to show any doubt that a plan will succeed.
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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2004, 02:02:01 PM »
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
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AMERICANS YOU MUST GIVE UP NOW! THERE IS NO HOPE! TAKE IT FROM A FRENCHMAN - WE WOULD GLADLY SURRENDER!



That was a sad answer to an elaborated one:o
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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2004, 02:49:32 PM »
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"But what does George W. care? He got his cheap, ignorant laugh at the expense of the New York Times."

Big deal.  Anybody can get a cheap, "ignorant" laugh at the expense of the NYT......

As for the above "foreigner's" comments, look up the "UN Oil For Food Scandal".  We don't call you the "Axis Of Weasels" for nothing....

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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2004, 05:09:54 PM »
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That was a sad answer to an elaborated one:o


Not an answer, simply a translation...  Have you forgotten your french?  :D

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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2004, 05:21:25 PM »
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Originally posted by MRPLUTO
You are correct, however I don't really like Kerry very much, either.


Pick the lesser of the two evils :)

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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2004, 06:45:27 PM »
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
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AMERICANS YOU MUST GIVE UP NOW! THERE IS NO HOPE! TAKE IT FROM A FRENCHMAN  - WE WOULD GLADLY SURRENDER!


Well, considering that everytime the US go to war alone (read: when the othersdon't  make the dirty work) they always loose lke in 1812, in Vietnam, etc... and that in the current situation, they are almost alone (well, they have to make most of the dirty work by themselves, I don't count the Tonga islands that were bribed to let Dubya make a nice list (with typos!) of the Coalition of the Willing)...:lol

But I got to admit, you are great to show up at the last minute to claim all the credits :aok

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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2004, 06:55:14 PM »
Sacre bleu!

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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2004, 07:15:16 PM »
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Well, considering that everytime the US go to war alone (read: when the othersdon't  make the dirty work) they always loose lke in 1812, in Vietnam, etc... and that in the current situation, they are almost alone (well, they have to make most of the dirty work by themselves, I don't count the Tonga islands that were bribed to let Dubya make a nice list (with typos!) of the Coalition of the Willing)...:lol

But I got to admit, you are great to show up at the last minute to claim all the credits :aok


Not a student of history are you? Seem to forget those boys of Teutonic heritage running over France in a few weeks and occupying it for a few years until someone came along and invaded the place to kick them out. Happened about 60 years ago.

Who is it that lost the War of 1812?

Oh, and by the way, Nixon forced North Vietnam to the negotiating  table with a couple of military operations.

Go back and play with yourself at World War II Online and leave  the rest of us alone.
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