Author Topic: CV capatapult (backwards) (Read 1300 times)

hogenbor · « **on:** June 21, 2004, 10:30:50 AM »

Tried to land on a CV with an FM-2 yesterday but when I got to a standstill I got the famous 'get catapulted off backwards at high speed and die' syndrome.

I have seen this discussed before but is this bug or a 'logical' result of my crappy CV landings? In AHI I got so annoyed by this happening occasionally that I usually just ditched near the CV.

Regards,

Ronald

mars01 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2004, 11:38:43 AM »

When you catch close to the end of the boat, go full power and release the hook. This will keep you from getting thrown off the back of the boat.

beet1e · « **Reply #2 on:** June 21, 2004, 01:31:49 PM »

... or just aim to catch the arrester cords closer to the front of the ship. Sounds like you're coming in too low.

RTR · « **Reply #3 on:** June 21, 2004, 01:50:49 PM »

Grab the "3 wire".

RTR

mars01 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2004, 02:09:36 PM »

LOL you guys act like he doesn't know how to land. His problem is not landing differently it's what to do when he catches the first or second wire.

Land with Full power, like your supposed to then release the hook. Works every time regardless what wire you catch.

Soulyss · « **Reply #5 on:** June 21, 2004, 02:23:14 PM »

IS this a bug with the CV? or with the FM-2? It's happened to me once or twice in the past but as least as far as memory serves only when I've been flying the FM-2.

kj714 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 21, 2004, 02:42:19 PM »

I always thought that was from coming in too fast

mars01 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 21, 2004, 02:42:59 PM »

No happens with spit, hog too.

Kaz · « **Reply #8 on:** June 21, 2004, 03:03:49 PM »

Strange, I've never had this happen to me. Here's what I do, I try to come in fairly steep so my throttle is close to idle or at idle and I usually catch the 1st to middle(more often the middle) part of the cables. If I was using throttle, I cut it right after catching the cables.

Might not be proper procedure but it works fine for me.

mars01 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 21, 2004, 03:09:39 PM »

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catch the 1st to middle(more often the middle) part of the cables

Your not catching the first cable or else you would get shot off the back off the carrier.

This happens when you come in and catch the first cable maybe the second cable, definately the first. It has nothing to do with how steep you are or anyhting else only what cable you snatched.

If you catch the first cable and do not hold yourself on the deck with the engine it will throw you off the back of the carrier. If you have never gotten thrown off the back of the carrier then either you land full throttle or you have never caught the first wire.

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I always thought that was from coming in too fast

Nope I always try to land the begining part of runway. Just habit, so when I got to the carrier I would stall right over the back, catch the first wire and get pulled right off the deck. Then it occured to me to counter the force with my engine, to hopfully get enough time to release the cable and stay on the boat.

Worked for me the first time and ever since.

Replicant · « **Reply #10 on:** June 21, 2004, 03:58:58 PM »

I've had it happen several times with the Seafire, even landing at about 100mph. It kinda happens in slow motion - you land then about a second or two later you get thrown off the back! I even had it on spawn the other day (CV wasn't turning).

I now try and aim for the last wire or even ahead of it; safer!

zmeg · « **Reply #11 on:** June 21, 2004, 04:25:52 PM »

All you have to do is cut your throttle ALL the way to zero before you touch the deck, it doesn't matter which wire or which plane. The only thing thats changed is if you come in at too much of an angle now it will whip your tail around.

Rolex · « **Reply #12 on:** June 21, 2004, 05:09:13 PM »

Full throttle landings are used with jets today. Throttle was chopped, canopy locked open and feet off the rudder pedals and on the floor during a carrier trap during WWII.

If you're getting thrown off the back, then you're not landing correctly.

kj714 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 21, 2004, 05:24:07 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01
. Your not catching the first cable or else you would get shot off the back off the carrier.

This happens when you come in and catch the first cable maybe the second cable, definately the first. It has nothing to do with how steep you are or anyhting else only what cable you snatched.

If you catch the first cable and do not hold yourself on the deck with the engine it will throw you off the back of the carrier. If you have never gotten thrown off the back of the carrier then either you land full throttle or you have never caught the first wire.

Nope I always try to land the begining part of runway. Just habit, so when I got to the carrier I would stall right over the back, catch the first wire and get pulled right off the deck. Then it occured to me to counter the force with my engine, to hopfully get enough time to release the cable and stay on the boat.

Worked for me the first time and ever since.

Makes sense, only happened to me once. I was coming in hot, so I put 2 & 2 together and came up with 5 on the speed thing. I think I tend to overshoot anyway so normally get the last couple of wires.

mars01 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 21, 2004, 05:40:14 PM »

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Full throttle landings are used with jets today. Throttle was chopped, canopy locked open and feet off the rudder pedals and on the floor during a carrier trap during WWII.

If you're getting thrown off the back, then you're not landing correctly.

Yeah thats a good point Rolex. None the less tho, in AH if you catch the first wire you are going to get thrown off the deck if your not johnny on the spot with the Throttle and unhook.

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All you have to do is cut your throttle ALL the way to zero before you touch the deck, it doesn't matter which wire or which plane. The only thing thats changed is if you come in at too much of an angle now it will whip your tail around.

Film it and prove it. I know no matter how you land if you catch that first wire you are going into the drink. I tried every way I could till it dawned on me, to hold myself on the deck with engine.