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Offline mora

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« Reply #45 on: June 25, 2004, 05:35:25 AM »
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I hate to see airliners go in under any circumstance.

This video of a A320 going in at the Paris Airshow is inertesting only because of the dialog.

http://www.airdisaster.com/download/af320.shtml

They are talking about it being computer controled as it is slowly decending into a forrest.  It didnt do much to boost confidence in computer controlled aircraft.


That narration sounds like it's from Ripley's or something. Firstly the plane is human controlled like all other passenger planes. Secondly the accident happened because the pilot came in too slow and low. I'm sure Straffo can explain it in more detail.
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« Reply #46 on: June 25, 2004, 06:14:58 AM »
Apparently the accident occured because the computer was programmed in landing mode, and the pilot never counter-ordered that program.

IIRC, afther that accident they changed the interface so that overriding the laws was much simpler.

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« Reply #47 on: June 25, 2004, 06:47:56 AM »
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Arent all British at least part French, they did invade and rule your country for a long long time..
Norman Conquest, 1066. You know that because you're smart and educated. Dago doesn't because he's neither.
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« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2004, 10:59:26 AM »
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Wow, that's some pretty timely criticism.  Next, let's talk some dirt on Eleanor Roosevelt's blatant misuse of petroleum-based hair products during the enforced shortages of 'the war'.  Also, the Glen Miller disapearance is still sizzling, have you heard anything new on that lately?


Are you saying there are not any more recent examples of the same thing?
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« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2004, 04:16:48 PM »
Nice response beetle, I guess you can't argue the facts.  

Don't you British usually drop a gun before you surrender so quickly? (or sword in the old days when the French visited)

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« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2004, 04:25:53 PM »
BTW beetle, I mentioned Iraq in French context (hope that word isn't too big for you).  It was relating to why I have thrown some less that complimentary comments towards France.  

Maybe Dowding can  help you with comprehension lessons.   Maybe you were just too drunk at the time to read well and understand, my sympathies, they say it (alchoholism) is a "sickness".

Oh and my apolgies for not including all the times in history England took it up the butt from invaders.  I thought you would have preferred that not be brought up.

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« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2004, 04:31:04 PM »
Why the mean spiritedness between the two of you? Is it really neccesary?
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« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2004, 04:45:44 PM »
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Are you saying there are not any more recent examples of the same thing?

Just responding in kind.  The example used was of the 'Spruce Goose', which flew in 1947.
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« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2004, 04:55:31 PM »
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Just responding in kind.  The example used was of the 'Spruce Goose', which flew in 1947.


So then you have no opinion on how simular Airbus and Boeing goverment funding are?
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« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2004, 05:08:40 PM »
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Why the mean spiritedness between the two of you? Is it really neccesary?


I gained a serious dislike of beetle on this board.  For a long time,  he seemed to be obsessed with coming on the board and posting everything negative he could think about the USA.

I laid off him as he seemed to finally move on and stop that nonsense.

I think if you read each of the comments in this board, you might find he both started this crap by nitpicking on my grammar, and then after I tried to make light of it, he called me a dick.  And so it has accelerated.  Too bad really, I was comfortable not getting into this kind of crap anymore.

As far as GSholz goes, I accept I was unfair to you before, I made a mistake in interpreting your meaning in a post, and as a result I was a dick towards you for a long time.  I apologize,  I have moved on and not said anything in a long time towards or about you.  But, if you care to keep that stuff going, so be it.  Your choice.

I still don't apologize for my anger towards France.  I still believe they (the French government) served greed without consideration of the human toll.

I still have no real idea exactly why Bush was so intent on attacking Iraq, but until proven differant, I am choosing to believe it was for noble reasons.  Maybe history will answer that question some day.

so, Beetle, piss off.

GSholz, whatever.

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« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2004, 05:16:21 PM »
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I still don't apologize for my anger towards France.  I still believe they (the French government) served greed without consideration of the human toll.

I still have no real idea exactly why Bush was so intent on attacking Iraq, but until proven differant, I am choosing to believe it was for noble reasons.  Maybe history will answer that question some day.


:rofl :rofl :rofl
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« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2004, 05:21:43 PM »
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I still have no real idea exactly why Bush was so intent on attacking Iraq, but until proven differant, I am choosing to believe it was for noble reasons.


It was to free the 'good people of iraq'!:lol

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« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2004, 05:27:24 PM »
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Originally posted by Krusher
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I hate to see airliners go in under any circumstance.

This video of a A320 going in at the Paris Airshow is inertesting only because of the dialog.

http://www.airdisaster.com/download/af320.shtml

They are talking about it being computer controled as it is slowly decending into a forrest.  It didnt do much to boost confidence in computer controlled aircraft.


It wasn't the computer's fault it's because the airplane built in (unmentionable) by (unmentionable)
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« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2004, 05:58:14 PM »
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So then you have no opinion on how simular Airbus and Boeing goverment funding are?

I guess I don't see the similarity.  The US government purchases airplanes from Boeing for use in the military.  The EU gives Airbus money for nothing in return to bail it out of selling planes below cost.

One is business, the other is charity.
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« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2004, 06:02:59 PM »
To get back to the point, ie aeroplanes or airplanes depending on your view.  All this nationalist bollox gets tiresome sometimes. It annoys me to see the aviation industry which I worked in for nearly twenty years talked about in such an childish, trivial and asinine fashion.

FYI Airbus is not now nor has it ever been French. They are final assembled in France but are built by the British, French, Spanish, Italians and Germans. Have I left anyone out? Oh yes Americans. Many components engines etc are American.  In fact 50% of the new Airbus A380 is American made. Yes that's right, any more it would legitimately be called American. Note too, that no government subsidy is being paid to Airbus for the A380. Airbus was subsidied in the past mainly to allow the European aviation industry to compete against America. Otherwise there would be no European aviation industry. Don't you think the US government would do the same for their industry?

Air France bought Boeing 777's recently just so you know. Airlines these days get the best deals they can. Of the two big low fare carriers in Europe, Easyjet and Ryanair. Easyjet bought Airbuses and Ryanair 737-800's. Both were probably hard headed commercial decisions. Ryanair's certainly was. The CEO O'Leary won't even buy pens for his staff. They have to steal them from hotels etc!  Both probably got good deals. Either way it was good for America's aerospace industry because of the high American content in both.  That's the way it works. If there was no Airbus, Boeing would have no incentive to develop and vice versa.  

Everybody makes money on spares by the way. It was always that way. You could give away the aircraft knowing you'd make money on spares sometimes.

It's clear that many of you have no idea how the aviation business works. Maybe you should stick to the usual Iraq,Bush,Kerry,boobs and car threads in future.:mad:
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