so.. it apears that the governator taxed the redskins...

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Oh come now, Levi, youre educated.  You can see the difference clearly.

Hmmm, the difference between a billion dollar tax, and a billion dollar tax, hmmm. Different docket number?

[Saurdaukar]

Originally posted by Sixpence
Hmmm, the difference between a billion dollar tax, and a billion dollar tax, hmmm. Different docket number?

No, Mr. Six.

I glad that someone has finally decided to start taxing the people that soak up the benifits of living in this country without contributing to it.

Well overdue, IMO.

[TheDudeDVant]

Lazs, Bodhi, and Saurdaukar (im sure of at least 2 of them, I believe all 3) where all flaming strk a few weeks back in his thread about taxes being cut instead of raised for the weathly..  What hypocracy for them all to be here condoning this action against native americans..

The Indian reservations are nothing more than a micro economic group to America.. They have their wealthy that support their communities just like our society..

But here we have the same folk always screaming for less government, less taxes condoning Just the opposite actions against another group of peoples.. Sounds like lazs is supporting these 'Womanly' issues..

I here by claim these actions:
HYPOCRITE

[Sandman]

"the redskins"?

I think that the word is okay for describing some sort of sports team, but in this context it's out of fashion.

[lazs2]

hmm todd.. you really can't see the difference from one group that is allready being taxed and one that never was?

even at that rate they are paying like a thousandth of what other businesses are paying in tax on profit.

When they start to pay anything like what other casinos in nevada say are paying in taxes then we can talk about giving em a break.

I am against taxes period.   Take away everyone elses tax burden and you can then remove the indians.

They were more than willing to pay BTW.

lazs

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Saurdaukar
No, Mr. Six.

I glad that someone has finally decided to start taxing the people that soak up the benifits of living in this country without contributing to it.

Well overdue, IMO.

Yeah, kinda like companies who base themselves offshore to avoid taxes.

But there is a strange irony here. It was their country, you make it sound like they are not the natives they are, and the irony is the ones who were here first are the ones who live tax free when the ones who conquered the country championed tax free and now are putting a billion dollar tax on them. Makes you kinda wonder who the true American is here, the indian, or the guy who wasn't even born here putting a billion dollar tax on them.

[lada]

Originally posted by Saurdaukar
WTG Ahnuld.

lol it sound almost like /dev/null

[lazs2]

sandie... I am not very fashionable I am told.

lazs

[Sandman]

Originally posted by lazs2
sandie... I am not very fashionable I am told.

lazs

Have to be careful, someone might confuse your lack of fashion for racism.

[Dead Man Flying]

The point I'm making is that those who oppose taxes should oppose them regardless.  It's not about contributing to society.  After all, how many Indians do those casinos employ?  At least as many as comparably successful casinos outside the reservation I'd venture.

Does raising their taxes mean that the taxes on everyone else go down?  That seems like a nice compromise, particularly if Indian communities are willing to pay the taxes.  However, I'm guessing that tax cuts on the rest of Californians don't complement a massive new tax on Indian casinos.

So why the high-fiving?  Shouldn't people who oppose taxes find realistic ways to cut government spending so that everyone can enjoy a relatively tax free existence?  It's an honest question.  I think Schwarzenegger's solution is an excellent one to a nasty budget crunch, but it doesn't seem to really fit into a conservative view of minimalist government.  I almost get the sense that some of the feelings here border on the punitive... that Indian casinos deserve the tax for, somehow, avoiding having to pay taxes like the rest of us for so long.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[lazs2]

yes... that is quite possible... fortunately... I really don't care if they do.

lazs

[lazs2]

todd.. here in California we are in a budget crunch by our late great davis the gray.

I agree that no one should pay taxes but see no reason why some should be able to be exempt... they may employ people but so does every other bussiness... Wall Mart employs more... Each Wall Mart pays maybe a million a year just in taxes that go back to the cities they are in...

Indian casinos increase the burden on the community in infrastructure but are exempt from the law.

Would yu be in favor of the next Wall Mart that opened in your town to be tax exempt?

When all are exempt then I will see your point.. till then... equal treatment under the law.

lazs

[FUNKED1]

Taxes Suck

[Saurdaukar]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
The point I'm making is that those who oppose taxes should oppose them regardless.  It's not about contributing to society.  After all, how many Indians do those casinos employ?  At least as many as comparably successful casinos outside the reservation I'd venture.

Does raising their taxes mean that the taxes on everyone else go down?  That seems like a nice compromise, particularly if Indian communities are willing to pay the taxes.  However, I'm guessing that tax cuts on the rest of Californians don't complement a massive new tax on Indian casinos.

So why the high-fiving?  Shouldn't people who oppose taxes find realistic ways to cut government spending so that everyone can enjoy a relatively tax free existence?  It's an honest question.  I think Schwarzenegger's solution is an excellent one to a nasty budget crunch, but it doesn't seem to really fit into a conservative view of minimalist government.  I almost get the sense that some of the feelings here border on the punitive... that Indian casinos deserve the tax for, somehow, avoiding having to pay taxes like the rest of us for so long.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Point taken, although its more a matter of opinion so there isnt much use in arguing it.

On the flip side, your last paragraph has some validty I will agree with.  It might be wise to consider the possibility that those of us in favor of this action might be happy because it spits in the face of the neuvo-PC movement.

Its a return to a logical way of doing things, quite frankly.  Why shouldnt they pay taxes?  Because  "we" showed up 500 years ago with the grand idea to "take their country?"  Thats kind of silly, if you ask me.

I suppose what Im trying to say is pretty much what you tried to say; that its not so much that we're "flip flopping" on taxes, we're simply pleased with the effort to even out the burden some.  Its a breath of fresh air in this "screw the majority at all costs" society we seem to have created.

[Saurdaukar]

Originally posted by Sixpence
Yeah, kinda like companies who base themselves offshore to avoid taxes.

But there is a strange irony here. It was their country, you make it sound like they are not the natives they are, and the irony is the ones who were here first are the ones who live tax free when the ones who conquered the country championed tax free and now are putting a billion dollar tax on them. Makes you kinda wonder who the true American is here, the indian, or the guy who wasn't even born here putting a billion dollar tax on them.

See above.