Author Topic: so.. it apears that the governator taxed the redskins... (Read 1436 times)

Sixpence · « **Reply #45 on:** June 24, 2004, 11:41:35 PM »

This is too funny. In some way, shape or form, that tax is going to be passed on to the patron. So it is the people who are being taxed. Something about the forest through the trees?

Munkii · « **Reply #46 on:** June 25, 2004, 12:06:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Sixpence
This is too funny. In some way, shape or form, that tax is going to be passed on to the patron. So it is the people who are being taxed. Something about the forest through the trees?

Yes.. but it is a 500 million tax that is passed on to people that choose to go to the casino.. income tax isn't really a choice. I'm not a right winger, but I still fail to see why everyone is freaking out about this tax.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #47 on:** June 25, 2004, 12:14:43 AM »

WTF you wanna cry fowl when a republican governer does it because it is NEEDED and say huuurrraaahhh when a presidential canidate calls for it when it is not?

LOOK AT THE HEADLINES ITS A COMPROMISE!

Both DEM and REPUB LOVE this guy in california....he's a strait shooter and he's not thinking about a party but for California!

YES A REPUBLICAN THAT CARES!

I know your liberal brains wrapped in those pink panties are saying "does not compute" but step away from the hooka and see progress in action!

Sixpence · « **Reply #48 on:** June 25, 2004, 01:10:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Munkii
Yes.. but it is a 500 million tax that is passed on to people that choose to go to the casino.. income tax isn't really a choice. I'm not a right winger, but I still fail to see why everyone is freaking out about this tax.

Ahhh, so what this boils down to is a "sin" tax. And why did those silly Patriots dump that tea, it was only a freakin tax.

"YES A REPUBLICAN THAT CARES! "

Lol, about finding someone to lay a billion dollar tax on? Geeez

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #49 on:** June 25, 2004, 01:53:14 AM »

So who in this thread supports this tax and who doesnt?

Octavius · « **Reply #50 on:** June 25, 2004, 02:51:30 AM »

I thought the exact same thing after the first few posts, Munkii.

In Wisconsin we have tons of native american casinos. They're all over the place, and they've got their own taxes. The casinos generate a decent amount of jobs and allow for some budget relief (of which the budget is currently shrecked, but thats beside the point). Like Munkii said, where is the casino's income coming from? I wouldn't necessarily categorize it as a 'sin tax' though.

I've always considered the lottery a tax on stupidity. But... there are many who lack the choice to opt out of stupidity in the first place

Grun, I support anti-stupidity.

Torque · « **Reply #51 on:** June 25, 2004, 08:03:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Leslie
That's true Sandman. Not all Indians were redskins. Some were fairly darkskinned, and others like the Cherokees had offshoots of Scottish ancestry. They were blue eyed blonds, and white as you and me.
Les

The term "Redskin" did not originate from the colour of their complexion but rather the berry juice they used to colour it with.

lazs2 · « **Reply #52 on:** June 25, 2004, 09:02:36 AM »

I am against uneven application of taxes. All people should play by the same rules when it comes to taxes. The indians should also pay state income tax.

We should all at that point be given a tax break.

My point is that the indians shouldn't be exemted from the benifiets or pain of taxes... I simply want everyone treated equally... If the indians can find some off shore tax shelter once they are paying just like everyone else then.... more power to em.

let em work within the code... let em pay for tax lawyers and accountants just like everyone else.

Like Arnie..I am all about equality... unlike our liberal friends.

regular... it is unwise to lump all people of an age group together... for instance.. it would be easy to assume that all young people were morons if we used your post as an example.

lazs

Leslie · « **Reply #53 on:** June 25, 2004, 09:22:04 AM »

Lazs is being an ass.

Les:D

lazs2 · « **Reply #54 on:** June 25, 2004, 09:25:43 AM »

yes... any attempt at real equality is met with disdain or seen as a threat by those who have something to gain by inequality.

but what about equality don't you like les?

I know some here feel that without their help whole groups of people are too stupid to survive but what is your reason?

lazs

Leslie · « **Reply #55 on:** June 25, 2004, 09:35:04 AM »

Same reason as theirs Lazs. We're all stupid when you think about it.

Les

lazs2 · « **Reply #56 on:** June 25, 2004, 09:38:05 AM »

so you believe that whole groups of people are too stupid to survive withou your handouts? Would you say that it is because some races are inferior to others?

lazs

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #57 on:** June 25, 2004, 09:48:00 AM »

Grunherz, I'm in favor of the tax since it's a step toward some sort of fiscal responsibility in California. The only way they're going to bring the budget deficit under control is to find new tax revenue streams and to cut existing discretionary and entitlement spending.

I don't view it as an equality or inequality issue. Frankly, if California wasn't desperate for more tax revenue, it probably wouldn't have considered levying the tax. In addition, equality to me indicates a zero-sum game; if you raise taxes by $500 million on Indian casinos when they've never paid them before, you lower taxes by $500 million on everyone else. That's a move toward some sort of parity in taxation after years of letting Indian casinos slide.

As it is, I view taxation of Indian casinos as a pragmatic, common sense policy meant to increase tax revenue. The fact that it's seen as somehow punitive or equalizing is beside the point IMO.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Leslie · « **Reply #58 on:** June 25, 2004, 09:49:16 AM »

No, but I did have a weird dream about you couple nights ago. It was cool and involved police,unpaid bills, and escaping to the North.

Les

Bodhi · « **Reply #59 on:** June 25, 2004, 10:01:38 AM »

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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Lazs, Bodhi, and Saurdaukar (im sure of at least 2 of them, I believe all 3) where all flaming strk a few weeks back in his thread about taxes being cut instead of raised for the weathly.. What hypocracy for them all to be here condoning this action against native americans..

The Indian reservations are nothing more than a micro economic group to America.. They have their wealthy that support their communities just like our society..

But here we have the same folk always screaming for less government, less taxes condoning Just the opposite actions against another group of peoples.. Sounds like lazs is supporting these 'Womanly' issues..

I here by claim these actions:
HYPOCRITE

Have not been here for almost 3 weeks.

Hel dilrod, I never said that taxes were bad, I oppose certain types of taxes, and believe in others. For example, I am for a flat tax, and against a hike in the gas tax. I am for taxiong the Indians casinos, and have been long before the governator decided to implement the idea. I hate the fact that people getting a free ride seem to skirt around paying taxes. Now you may want to cry and say this is hurting the Indians.>> thats SO bogus, the only person this will "hurt" are the people who come in to gamble, as the slots get a bit tighter, and the "miscellaneous expenses" go up a bit. SO in the end, the only ones paying the tax will be the gamblers.

Want another touchy subject on taxes? How about Puerto Rico starts paying federal taxes. Yeah, thye pay dick right now, and I am a bit tired of that. It would make far more sense to have a nation wide vote to decide one of two things. Statehood, or Independence. My vote is Independence, and cut the teat.